Stretched Goal: More Unique Uniforms

[Mississippi]

What Union / Confederate Uniform would you like to see in game for this next stretched goal? I would like to see the the 6th Alabama Company I "Raccoon Roughs" John Brown Gordon's mountain men. They wore raccoon hats like Davy Crockett!

[JaegerCoyote]

Company K of the 69th NY, who wore zouve uniforms like the bakers guard.

[SpectretheGreat]

Id like to see anyone with kilts, and some nice greens for skrimishers.

[Killobytes]

Very excited to see what we get

[Tar Heel]

Would love to see more generic jacket variants, especially for the Cornfeds (NC Depot, Richmond Depot, maybe a civilian sack coat). Not so keen on the kilts or coon-skin caps... just sayin'...

[Bravescot]

Would love each to see more generic jacket variants, especially for the Cornfeds (NC Depot, Richmond Depot, maybe a civilian sack coat). Not so keen on the kilts or coon-skin caps... just sayin'...

^This. Plus a very tiny addition....bucktails in kepis...just saying ;)

[JaegerCoyote]

I would like officers to have some different styles for uniforms, since they had purchase their uniforms. A notched collar (https://fcsutler.com/pusjroffsackciv.jpg) would look pretty good.

[-Mitchell-]

Would love each to see more generic jacket variants, especially for the Cornfeds (NC Depot, Richmond Depot, maybe a civilian sack coat). Not so keen on the kilts or coon-skin caps... just sayin'...

I agree 100%, I would also like to see some more unique belt buckles thrown in the mix. Different state buckles: Virginia, NC, Texas (Star), SC, New York (NYSV), Tennessee (VS) etc.. as well as the upside down "US" buckles for Confederates.

[Hinkel]

I agree 100%, I would also like to see some more unique belt buckles thrown in the mix. Different state buckles: Virginia, NC, Texas (Star), SC, New York (NYSV), Tennessee (VS) etc.. as well as the upside down "US" buckles for Confederates.

Don't worry, more unique belt buckles are on the list and will be ingame ;)

[-Mitchell-]

That's great to hear! :cool:

[CjkCJkCjk]

I want to see a good Fire Zouve Uniform here gentleman! XD

[Gandalf]

Kilts for Scottish units, maybe? ;)
*hoping for chaplains*

[JaegerCoyote]

*hoping for chaplains*

Yes, we need Father Corby to ride on his horse and give Absolution to the men.

[Tar Heel]

Don't worry, more unique belt buckles are on the list and will be ingame ;)
Awesome! Make sure you throw in some civilian buckles too for good measure. Georgia frames, forked tongues, roller buckles, and snake buckles would be some good examples.


Kilts for Scottish units, maybe? ;)
*hoping for chaplains*

I've never seen documentation that any units in the American Civil War ever wore kilts into battle. Yes, I know the 79th NY had kilts, but I've never seen where they actually wore them into battle. And since this is a game about battles and not about parades...

[MacMillan]

1st Virginia Infantry Battalion (Irish)

[Hinkel]

1st Virginia Infantry Battalion (Irish)

They had any kind of unique uniform, which was used during Antietam? :)

[Arkansan]

How will you do Regiments with companies of a different uniform? Take the 11thMS for example. We know of the "University Greys" Co.A, but what about these other companies?
"Lamar Rifles" Co.G - Frock Coats with eight chest bars...hats pinned on one side adorned with the infantry horn bugle and sometimes a black ostrich feather (https://books.google.com/books?id=bGA_TXpHPO8C&pg=PA167&lpg=PA167&dq=mississippi+infantry+red+ranks&source=bl&ots=3G8Q8ViEHD&sig=lVOpRRmbuowb4gDqHx7AGPzSN_M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi46-SE-OvJAhUDpR4KHeECALAQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=mississippi%20infantry%20red%20ranks&f=false)
"Van Dorn Reserves" Co.I - wore red jeans (https://books.google.com/books?id=hIdIAFGMCgEC&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=can+dorn+reserves+co+I+uniform&source=bl&ots=j3DNzxQH6P&sig=g-PBjU-3CCry4r34UVlN7VO5xn4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirzu_L0OzJAhUHph4KHZsbCUgQ6AEIITAB#v=on epage&q=can%20dorn%20reserves%20co%20I%20uniform&f=false)
"Prairie Guards" Co.E - wore a grey frock coat with dark plastron front and epaulettes, grey pants with broad stripes, and a black Hardee (brim loop on left) hat with ostrich plume (https://books.google.com/books?id=hIdIAFGMCgEC&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=can+dorn+reserves+co+I+uniform&source=bl&ots=j3DNzxQH6P&sig=g-PBjU-3CCry4r34UVlN7VO5xn4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirzu_L0OzJAhUHph4KHZsbCUgQ6AEIITAB#v=on epage&q=can%20dorn%20reserves%20co%20I%20uniform&f=false)

[Hinkel]

How will you do Regiments with companies of a different uniform?

We won't add seperate uniforms for different companies. That would be insane...
The 11th MS will have the uniform, we displayed in our Crowdfunding page (for those who bought it). Otherwise you will spawn with a generic confederate uniform.

But there is a chance to spawn with unique uniform parts for most states, for example a Mississippi belt or a grey pants with red stripes for all Mississippi regiments.

[Mississippi]

Will it be possible for some Confederates to spawn with Straw Hats?

http://fanninsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/P9080119.jpg

[Hinkel]

Will it be possible for some Confederates to spawn with Straw Hats?


There is no Straw hat model done yet.
I guess it will be made one day, so why not? :)

[Mississippi]

There is no Straw hat model done yet.
I guess it will be made one day, so why not? :)

Thanks Hinkel, that would be awesome!

[Pvt.Scott]

I just want the advanced tour of Antietam. I just want to have a guided tour of it. Because that's cool.:cool:

[Landree]

I'm all for expanding on the common and civilian buckles, jackets, hats, haversacks, and trousers. These oddity things just break the immersion.

[Mississippi]

Stretched Goal: More Unique Uniforms, Funded!

[C.S.A. Sniper43]

i know that im not from the area of the eastern theater of the war but would it be possible to incorperate in other units or maps that where in the midwest. with units uniforms of the 3rd mo inf that where the white muffen tops or MSG civilan uniforms, with maps wilsons creek, pilot knob, pea ridge, and round mountain to name a fue.

[Hinkel]

i know that im not from the area of the eastern theater of the war but would it be possible to incorperate in other units or maps that where in the midwest. with units uniforms of the 3rd mo inf that where the white muffen tops or MSG civilan uniforms, with maps wilsons creek, pilot knob, pea ridge, and round mountain to name a fue.

Thats not possible for the moment, sorry.
We are doing the Maryland Campaign and we will have no maps or units of any other theatre or battlefield except the Maryland battles like Antietam, Harpers Ferry and South Mountain.

[Galor]

Maybe worn and muddy Uniforms, barefoot Soldiers, or something ? :)

[Challis89]

Quick question regarding uniforms will you get to chose within the confines of your company-regiment what types of trouser etc you will be wearing within reason? Like the ability to choose between grey or blue or even butternut in colour?

[Hinkel]

Quick question regarding uniforms will you get to chose within the confines of your company-regiment what types of trouser etc you will be wearing within reason? Like the ability to choose between grey or blue or even butternut in colour?

While the player can choose his own appearence, company leaders might be able to set a list of uniform parts, he would like to accept in his company :)
But thats not fixed yet.

[Challis89]

While the player can choose his own appearence, company leaders might be able to set a list of uniform parts, he would like to accept in his company :)
But thats not fixed yet.

Sounds good cheers for clearing that up :) Glad it may be possible to keep the company smarter. Keep up the great work sir.

[Jeffrey Miller]

Just pushed it over the top and raised my tier to Major. We are now funded over 135,500! I clicked refresh and we are funded over the uniform goal!

[arpbarker]

While the player can choose his own appearence, company leaders might be able to set a list of uniform parts, he would like to accept in his company :)
But thats not fixed yet.

win. so basically, as a company commander you can pick a set of kit, and the company members can mix and match?

[Hinkel]

win. so basically, as a company commander you can pick a set of kit, and the company members can mix and match?

Could be something like that, yes.
Like: Allowing the usage of the forage cap and kepi, but deny the use of slouch hats :)

[Volunteer]

Just pushed it over the top and raised my tier to Major. We are now funded over 135,500! I clicked refresh and we are funded over the uniform goal!


Proof positive that every little helps .... :D

[-Mitchell-]

Just pushed it over the top and raised my tier to Major. We are now funded over 135,500! I clicked refresh and we are funded over the uniform goal!

Awesome! Thanks, Private Miller! This was one of two stretch goals I was really looking forward to. The drill camp and the more unique uniforms!

[SemajRednaxela]

Plumes, buttons, and badges. Would also like to see some form of wear and tear. That or weathering, mud and the like. Or even dare I say blood splatters. Though perhaps these are subjects for another discussion.

[Challis89]

Awesome! Thanks, Private Miller! This was one of two stretch goals I was really looking forward to. The drill camp and the more unique uniforms!

Seen some weird and wacky accounts of some units formed where people were wearing 1812 uniforms of their fathers etc. Can't wait to see more about the drill camp too got a feeling those servers will be pretty busy between events and skirmishes haha

[MacMillan]

They had any kind of unique uniform, which was used during Antietam? :)

Yes, the 1st Virginia Infantry Battalion had a Grey Uniform with Black Trim; green sashes for it's officers; some Sergeants wore red/green sashes, and a grey kepi - with blue acting as a trim for the brim of the kepi.

Shell Jacket (Richmond Depot #1 Jacket):
http://www.ccsutlery.com/store/media/productimages/ShellJackets/CS_ShellRichmondDepot1InfJeanWool_SM.jpg

Blue Trim Kepi:
http://www.ushist.com/img/cs/images/qm-0820_kepi_enlisted_cs_m1861_infantry_l.jpg

Officer's Sash:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sqwhscONxSc/UYvEbZJFh1I/AAAAAAAABd0/FpMPq4rDbqU/s1600/1996.005.008.jpg

Of the VERY few photos I have been able to find during the period:
Private:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDwCFAa61EWjTJ231rwK5wwVlUmCd2P 4Bq8KxDtxoWMqjiRU1y

Sergeant:
http://www.military-historians.org/company/journal/confederate/confed-5.jpg

Battalion a week after enlistment:
http://36.media.tumblr.com/04a79754206d79a94c1c0798280c644f/tumblr_miaod7mUGa1rd3evlo1_1280.jpg

[Hinkel]

Yes, the 1st Virginia Infantry Battalion had a Grey Uniform with Black Trim; green sashes for it's officers; some Sergeants wore red/green sashes, and a grey kepi - with blue acting as a trim for the brim of the kepi.

Shell Jacket (Richmond Depot #1 Jacket):
http://www.ccsutlery.com/store/media/productimages/ShellJackets/CS_ShellRichmondDepot1InfJeanWool_SM.jpg

Blue Trim Kepi:
http://www.ushist.com/img/cs/images/qm-0820_kepi_enlisted_cs_m1861_infantry_l.jpg



Thats most likely the soldier you see in the Mississippi Rifle video. Just a different kepi trim ;)

[MacMillan]

Thats most likely the soldier you see in the Mississippi Rifle video. Just a different kepi trim ;)

Basically but not quite - the officers and sergeants should have the correct Sash color... and the correct kepi trim :) ^^ as stated in your post.

[Landree]

I'd prefer the customization options be hard set depending on what unit you select. So if you chose the 13th VA there would be a list of items for that unit that would probably be very different from the 11th MS. This would keep regiments more or less "uniform", though I use that term loosely as there was a lot of uniform variation.

[Jeffrey Miller]

I'd prefer the customization options be hard set depending on what unit you select. So if you chose the 13th VA there would be a list of items for that unit that would probably be very different from the 11th MS. This would keep regiments more or less "uniform", though I use that term loosely as there was a lot of uniform variation. That sounds like a great idea!

[Patrick Kurtz]

Sounds good to me, though I think that's already the gist of it.

[rebeldestroyer]

Maybe a little more options for confeds than union because confeds didn't really have uniform uniforms

[crazychester1247]

Is it likely we'll get the Louisiana Tigers uniforms.

[JaegerCoyote]

Is it likely we'll get the Louisiana Tigers uniforms.

We will, at least one of the screenshots shows them.

[Hinkel]

Is it likely we'll get the Louisiana Tigers uniforms.

http://warofrights.com/Content/Images/Gallery/37.jpg :)

[crazychester1247]

thanks Hinkel! They look great. Keep up the good work.

[Challis89]

Could we also see dress uniforms with the fancy epaulettes being available for both sides? Very rarely used in battle but those show offs be pretty cool clear target for sharps tho.

[A. P. Hill]

Have you folks even paid attention to the Kickstarter video? I mean really. Multiplicity of uniforms has been a hallmark of this endeavor. Can any of you count the number of uniform changes that guy in the video makes?

This is not going to be an issue.

[Challis89]

Have you folks even paid attention to the Kickstarter video? I mean really. Multiplicity of uniforms has been a hallmark of this endeavor. Can any of you count the number of uniform changes that guy in the video makes?

This is not going to be an issue.

Nope but ill now have to watch it in slowmo dam you haha.

[crazychester1247]

I have a question will we be able to choose our company's hats separately from the uniforms. For example could I pick a 14th NYSM uniform and change the kepi to a Hardee hat.

[Bravescot]

I have a question will we be able to choose our company's hats separately from the uniforms. For example could I pick a 14th NYSM uniform and change the kepi to a Hardee hat.

I bloody hope not!

[William]

I bloody hope not!

But it would look funny xD

erm i mean...... no i hope not that would look not good xD

[JaegerCoyote]

Thank you for putting the image of a 14th NYSM member in a Hardee hat in my head.

[crazychester1247]

Your welcome. Even though that was just an example and would look horrible.

A better example would be could we have a standard U.S Cavalryman and then change the Hardee hat to a kepi.

[BloodBeag]

What's the name of the hat, it's part Kepi but it has a bit going over the back of person's neck. In North and South it's that hat that the 3rd Connecticut have

[Hinkel]

What's the name of the hat, it's part Kepi but it has a bit going over the back of person's neck. In North and South it's that hat that the 3rd Connecticut have

Are you speaking about the Havelock kepi?
It was used as sun protection. Mostly a simple cloth was used to make it.

http://www.regtqm.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/cw%20havelock.jpg

[BloodBeag]

that's the one thanks. Hopefully i can use that in game so i can look hot

[Tar Heel]

that's the one thanks. Hopefully i can use that in game so i can look hot

I'm not sure how common they were during the Maryland Campaign. Most soldiers quickly discarded them, as they found the havelock actually made them hotter because it blocked air flow around the head.

[BloodBeag]

I'm not sure how common they were during the Maryland Campaign. Most soldiers quickly discarded them, as they found the havelock actually made them hotter because it blocked air flow around the head.

i suppose they're better for sunny rather than hot times. Still, they'll make you stick out of the crowd in a not bad way

[Wallace]

i hope the iron brigade will be represented with there hardee hats

[Bravescot]

i hope the iron brigade will be represented with there hardee hats

You'll have to wait and see ;)

[Mississippi]

I hope they will add Hardee Hats & Straw Hats to choose for your character.

[Wallace]

You'll have to wait and see ;)
oh your just teasing me lol

[A. P. Hill]

oh your just teasing me lol

Yes, He is. ;)

[Hinkel]

I hope they will add Hardee Hats & Straw Hats to choose for your character.

Wait for the next upcoming news.. :cool: *tease*

[RhettVito]

What Union / Confederate Uniform would you like to see in game for this next stretched goal? I would like to see the the 6th Alabama Company I "Raccoon Roughs" John Brown Gordon's mountain men. They wore raccoon hats like Davy Crockett!
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6th Alabama Company I "Raccoon Roughs Kepi

[RhettVito]

Quote Originally Posted by Tar Heel
Would love each to see more generic jacket variants, especially for the Cornfeds (NC Depot, Richmond Depot, maybe a civilian sack coat ). Not so keen on the kilts or coon-skin caps... just sayin'...



I agree 100%, I would also like to see some more unique belt buckles thrown in the mix. Different state buckles: Virginia, NC, Texas (Star), SC, New York (NYSV), Tennessee (VS) etc.. as well as the upside down "US" buckles for Confederates.


I'm with the both of you on that .Also civilian sack coat is perfect !

[A. P. Hill]

Wait for the next upcoming news.. :cool: *tease*

He's teasing you as well ...;)

[Wallace]

Wait for the next upcoming news.. :cool: *tease*

ughhhh lol

[William]

now you can see the new Video xD

[Wallace]

I knoww :D :D :D :D :D

[Deven]

Stiff collars and cravats, for "the more fortunate" soldiers of each side.

[Price]

A good variety of hats, different feathered hats, akubra's, slouched hats.. etc

[Jagdmann]

Sorry this might be a slightly wrong thread but don`t want to open a new one!

Short question:
Will there be any further stretch goals, as we achieved the 140k one now?

Thanx for answers! And sorry for interrupting the discussion!!!

[Rithal]

Sorry this might be a slightly wrong thread but don`t want to open a new one!

Short question:
Will there be any further stretch goals, as we achieved the 140k one now?

Thanx for answers! And sorry for interrupting the discussion!!!

I don't see why there wouldn't be. Knowing the developers and Hinkel, they will probably conjure up some more goodies for us before it's all said and done. :)

[Legion]

Now that you have the Tiger Rifles uniform in game I hope to see Coppens Zouaves, since both were merged into one group before the battle of Antietam.
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Notice the red pants and yellow trim, quite different from the Tiger Rifles uniform in my opinion. It would be a cool addition to the game.
Also you should add a variant of the Tiger rifle uniform that has a brown coat because form stories I read they died them brown after taking friendly fire because they were mistaken for Union troops.
Edit: 10th LA also wore a zouave uniform from what I've read, though I'm not sure what it looked like.

[Legion]

When we customize our characters look will we be able to choose the pieces individually? Like torso,head,legs etc etc. Or will it be a pre made set? I hope it's not a pre made set

[Landree]

I hope it will be by piece as well. I hope to recreate my reenacting impression in-game. ;)

[crazychester1247]

I'd like to be able to customize all kinds of little details on your soldier. Like necklaces, ring, cigars, and pocket watches. You could use it to tell alot about your soldier if your into roleplay. You could have a wedding ring, a locket with a picture of your wife or kids, if your soldiers religious they could have a cross or a Star of David, if your a Native American you could have a medicine pouch of something like that. The possibilities are endless.

[MadWolf]

When we customize our characters look will we be able to choose the pieces individually? Like torso,head,legs etc etc. Or will it be a pre made set? I hope it's not a pre made set

I really like the idea of being able to choose the pieces individually. But more in the sense of two ore more types of the regiment Uniforme and not mixing other regimental uniforms. So you do not see a New York zouave with a Iron brigade hat ;)

[Legion]

I really like the idea of being able to choose the pieces individually. But more in the sense of two ore more types of the regiment Uniforme and not mixing other regimental uniforms. So you do not see a New York zouave with a Iron brigade hat ;)

I agree for the most part, but I think there should be a few regimental variations for uniforms in each regiment and then there should be generic clothes that any regiment can have like different color kepis or something like stuff that wasn't attached to a regiment specifically. that way we have alot of choices. I'm also wondering if there will be the ability to have captured pieces for the uniforms, like caps or shoes or belts and buckles?

[Challis89]

Mt hope is that company commanders can chose to an extent what is worn. For example if you want offical headdress you can so you don't get civi hats etc

[Legion]

You could just tell them what to wear. Like what types and colors of hats that they are allowed to wear or what style coat etc etc. You could also differentiate the uniform depending on rank, like if your a private you get the basics but as you progress you get more options, or if you do something exemplary you could allow them to wear something unique that no one else in the company can. just some ideas.

[Landree]

That was my idea for it. We'd have uniformity in the type of jacket worn, but the level of extras, such as trim on the jacket, would be optional. The hats and pack configurations would also be up to each member in my unit.

So yeah, full customization (within regimental boundaries depending on regiment portrayed) is what I want to see.

[MadWolf]

That was my idea for it. We'd have uniformity in the type of jacket worn, but the level of extras, such as trim on the jacket, would be optional. The hats and pack configurations would also be up to each member in my unit.

So yeah, full customization (within regimental boundaries depending on regiment portrayed) is what I want to see.

I agree with this idea.

[Challis89]

That was my idea for it. We'd have uniformity in the type of jacket worn, but the level of extras, such as trim on the jacket, would be optional. The hats and pack configurations would also be up to each member in my unit.

So yeah, full customization (within regimental boundaries depending on regiment portrayed) is what I want to see.


I back this 100%

Can I add I think your company rank and accessories should be automatically added to your character for historical battles so you don't end up with all captains and Sgts haha

[Bravescot]

Can I add I think your company rank and accessories should be automatically added to your character for historical battles so you don't end up with all captains and Sgts haha

So people not in a Co. are blocked to Pvts only?

[Challis89]

So people not in a Co. are blocked to Pvts only?

I meant to say historical event battles my apologies as I know skirmish mode is different. And it would only be if you were fighting as a company and those wanting to do a different role could be temp bumped up or down. Individuals joining in I've no idea tbh how that would work I'm sure they would have the pick. of what they wanted afterall they are independent of a company.

[Landree]

I prefer the Red Orchestra model in that higher ranks or specialty roles are unlocked by the amount of players running around. Unlimited "riflemen" slots abound.

[crazychester1247]

I have an idea. Wouldn't it be cool if you could earn in game medals, buttons, and stuff like that for your soldier by performing incredible acts of heroism? I mean really heroic too, for example if you got shot 3 times in one battle and survived you could get the purple heart, and that would be one of the easier ones to get.

[Locke1740]

I would like to see uniforms like that of the 1st South Carolina (Orr's) Rifles and the 2nd South Carolina Cavalry(Hamptons Legion detachment)

[55thNY Col J-Man11]

Some units I would LOVE to see, yes LOVE:
Company K "Irish Zouaves" 69th New York
41st New York Volunteers
4th Michigan Volunteers
7th NY Cav
55th New York Volunteers
37th New York Volunteers

Ps. Yes I love the New York Volunteers, I'm also personally from NY anyway..

[Bravescot]

Stop asking for uniforms from regiments that were not in the Maryland Campaign! If I ask you ask for the 55thNY again in particular I'm going to pop a vane.

[Hinkel]

Some units I would LOVE to see, yes LOVE:
Company K "Irish Zouaves" 69th New York
41st New York Volunteers
4th Michigan Volunteers
7th NY Cav
55th New York Volunteers
37th New York Volunteers

Ps. Yes I love the New York Volunteers, I'm also personally from NY anyway..

Company K of the 69th NY lost their unique zouave look in 1861. During Antietam, they had the same uniform like the rest of the regiment.

[Locke1740]

Stop asking for uniforms from regiments that were not in the Maryland Campaign! If I ask you ask for the 55thNY again in particular I'm going to pop a vane.

The 1st South Carolina Rifles were at Sharpsburg, do you think yall will add them? I think there uniform is really cool and should be added, and since yall just added the iron brigade it shouldn't be that hard to add the 1st Rifles.

[Duke Of Longtree]

I would like to see the uniform of Southern militia before the war like the 1st georgia volunteer infantry before the got the uniform replaced

[55thNY Col J-Man11]

The 55thNY was in the Maryland campaign, it was in the Battle of Fredricksburg..

[Void]

Stop asking for uniforms from regiments that were not in the Maryland Campaign! If I ask you ask for the 55thNY again in particular I'm going to pop a vane.

I see that you are getting fed up as well with this whole 55thNY thing.

[JaegerCoyote]

The 55thNY was in the Maryland campaign, it was in the Battle of Fredricksburg..

That was not part of the Maryland campaign.

[A. P. Hill]

The 55thNY was in the Maryland campaign, it was in the Battle of Fredricksburg..

The 55th NY was in the III Corps of the Army of the Potomac. The III Corps was not in the final part of the Maryland Campaign. It was pretty much handed its ass at the Second Manassas. III Corps was in D.C. during September getting refitted after its debacle.

[Brooklyn]

9th New York Volunteer Infantry, Hawkin's Zouaves.
http://i.imgur.com/NtBMHZh.jpg

[A. P. Hill]

And then there is this tidbit.


Determined to sever ties with the excesses of monarchy and the nobility, the founding fathers of the United States made sure that the honors, titles, and privileges given to Europe's elite had no place in their young republic. Consequently, the construction of early U.S. society included a rejection of traditional heraldry.

For over a century, the U.S. Government and its armed forces would forge ahead in shaping a new nation without any real centralized authority to register, record, or regulate the design and use of federal and military symbols (called "insignia"). Eventually, President Woodrow Wilson would share his concern about the wide range of colors, shapes, and sizes that comprised U.S. military insignia in the early part of the 20th Century. In 1918, the President directed the War Department to establish an office that could organize military insignia such as metal badges, ribbons, patches, and flags. The Institute of Heraldry traces its roots back to President Wilson's order, a task that captures the very foundation of heraldry-namely, developing a system for clear communication and identification on the battlefield.

Awards and insignia didn't much exist during the ACW and therefore wouldn't be realistic, nor accurate. The only true Civil War medal that was instituted was the Congressional Medal of Honor, outside of that there isn't much.

( The above quote is taken from The Institute of Heraldry. (http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/default.aspx))

[A. P. Hill]

Some more interesting reading regarding uniforms.


Uniforms of Confederate Forces

In 1861, the seceding states the issue of uniforms received the immediate attention of the new southern congress as well as their individual states. In February, 1861, prior to the first shot of the Civil War, an Act was passed by the Confederate Congress to form a Quartermaster Department. Preparations were underway to equip the troops. Many of the Confederate leaders as well as Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederate States, were graduates of West Point and were fully aware of the logistics necessary to prepare for war. They readily identified themselves with Cadet gray and the range of uniform design necessary for parade and battle. These leaders were conflicted with the need for standardization and the independent judgments of their several states. Their Constitution celebrated the ideal of the independence of each state and the latter created distinctive patterns, trimmings and colors. However, chain of command was ceded to the Confederate Armies with Jefferson Davis as Commander-in-Chief who then approved decentralized strategies for his armies.

Before the first year of war had passed, a Clothing Bureau was established in Richmond, Virginia and divided into a "Shoe Manufactory" and a "Clothing Manufactory". This format was repeated in several other cities with central regional depots. Undoubtedly, there were periods of shortage that affected production of uniforms. However, this had no great affect on the southern government to clothe and equip their armies. Some southern regions supplemented their supply with captured goods. In Texas, an assault on a Union depot uncovered thousands of blue uniforms. There also was a continuing exchange of jackets and shoes with the dead on battle fields.

The actual manufacturing operated a system very much similar to that network which survived in the United States for 200 hundred years. Tailors, located in one location would cut the cloth into the pattern required to make the garment, bundle these separate sections, and sub-contract the pieces along with the buttons, trim and thread to thousands of women to sew them into a finished piece.

Raw material and finished cloth does not appear to have been an insurmountable problem. As late as mid 1864, the Richmond depot received in one week 4500 yards of English gray and 3,000 yards of English blue cloth. Wool mills in the south delivered 20,000 yards.

Blockade runners were issued clothing contracts. One such order called for 100,000 uniforms to be procured in Prussia and delivered through England. Inevitably, the variety of sources led to shade differentials of color and weight. Once landed, delivery was to the region in which the particular Confederate army operated. These armies operated independently in a decentralized system. The goods were delivered to the regional bureau for distribution in a production fashion similar to the Richmond model. Thus the pattern or cut of a jacket for the Army of Northern Virginia differed from that used by the Army of Tennessee. Variety was subjective from Department to Department.

In an effort to maintain a central gray color many variants of uniforms from the various sources were sent to dye mills where they were put through the process of dying to achieve a batch consistent gray color. Due to variants in materials and quantities of materials many times these batches produced a butternut color, a mix of gray and brown, it was used so extensively that Union soldiers referred to the rebels as "Butternuts".

Patterns between Confederate armies were subject to centralized, general regulations. In 1861, frock coats, knee length, were ordered as the permitted outer wear. This had replaced an earlier rule that dictated that officers shall wear a tunic of gray cloth known as cadet gray, the skirt to extend half-way between hip and knee, double breasted for all grades. However, in 1862, the jacket, waist length, became the army's fashion statement. Officers added colorful piping or cord to exhibit his rank.

Richmond Depot would produce three types of jackets during the war. Type I had piping about the collar and cuffs and a shoulder strap. Type II retained the nine buttons, single breasted, but eliminated collar piping and the entire cuff. It has been suggested that the two patterns probably were produced simultaneously, but type II replaced type 1. The change required only omissions of embellishments. We know that type II was worn into 1864. The Type III jacket pattern was a departure from the domestic manufacturing system. Late in the war a Confederate buying agent contracted with Peter Tait, a manufacturer in Limerick, Ireland to produce ready made garments. Tait made deliveries with his own blockade runners. The Tait uniform pattern was adopted by the Richmond Depot. The jacket was more tapered than its predecessors and had 8 buttons. The earlier types had either 8 or 9 buttons. It was not long before the various depots adopted shoulder strap, collar and cuff changes.

Collar and sleeve insignia signified the officers rank and branch of service, and the color matching kepi (hat) was issued pursuant to regulations of 1861 and 1862. However, cavalry often used an alternate called the stag hat. Red was used to identify artillery and blue for infantry. It was displayed on kepi and collar. Trousers were almost always a shade of blue, gray, or butternut. The kepi dipped in the front while the forage (fatigue) cap was higher and flatter. Both were adaptations of the French kepi.

Buttons on Confederate uniforms served more than one purpose. Firstly, they were indication of rank. The more buttons in a row the higher the rank. Seven evenly spaced buttons for the junior officer and eight for the higher ranks. Secondly, the buttons were often identifiers of state of origin or specifically branch of service.


Uniforms of Union Forces

The North, as well as the South, encountered problems clothing their armies. Although their resources were greater, they also struggled with cost and production. The latter was constantly exacerbated by deliveries of poor workmanship often caused by unscrupulous contractors seeking to cut corners. Reports from the field revealed that some clothing would hardly last longer than a single march. Nevertheless, their large manufacturing base did produce huge quantities of clothing for the Union.

The blue color was the military default position dating to the Revolutionary War. In some few cases, such as the utilization of green for hidden riflemen, it was seen as a tactical advantage for Berdan's sharpshooters who used rubber buttons to avoid glare that would disclose a sniper's position. In the main, the use of color for camouflage would not be considered until the appearance of khaki in the Spanish American War almost a half century in the future.

The style of the uniform largely copied British and French military traditions. Thus, standardization was built about blue, but with room for variety advanced by otherwise federalized northern states. Such as the New York Zouaves or Garibaldi Guards.

The coat or jacket was dark blue and the trousers were light blue or described as sky blue and created a pleasant contrast. Cross belts carried the cartridge box, waist belt with oval buckle and cartridge box breast plate.

Regulations provided for the issue of the frock coat for all duty officers. The sack coat and jacket were essentially unauthorized but were often worn in battle. The sack coat was shorter than the frock coat and afforded more freedom of movement. Like most of the outerwear, wool was the chosen material.

War Department Regulation 1442 provided: "All officers shall wear a frock-coat of dark blue cloth, the skirt to extend from two-thirds to three-fourths of the distance from the top of the hip to the bent of the knee; single breasted for Captains and Lieutenants; double-breasted for all other grades".

General and staff level officers wore 8 or more buttons and lower officer ranks, from captain on down, 7 buttons.

The 1861 Regulations issued by a cost conscious War Department defined most of the uniform basics. Officers, as a general rule, were required to purchase their own uniforms, sabers and swords, and accoutrements, but some utilized the issued styles. Thus many officers wore the standard sack coat in the field which was a loose fitting, four button garment and styled after the civilian work jacket.

The "round" jacket was favored by mounted soldiers. There was little difference in style between the garment worn by the officers and the enlisted men, but trim colors and rank badges emphasized the distinctions. It is evident that function dictated the use of the jacket when a day was spent on a saddle. There were also certain differences between the mounted man and those on their own legs all day. Trousers were reinforced and hats and boots differed. Regardless of rank, the saber always was present. Some mounted officers wore a double breasted version of the jacket.

Ohio and New York troops wore dark blue shell jackets with shoulder straps and belt loops. The jackets had 12 small brass buttons on its front and colored tape established branch of service.

As already noted the sack coat had universal appeal shared by officers and enlisted personnel. To these officers would display the shoulder strap and the alternate insignia of his rank. The insignia had the added virtue of less conspicuousness on the battlefield. In 1864, General Order 286 permitted the use of the shoulder insignia substituting for the shoulder strap.

Hats were proscribed by regulations, but the range, in practice, was infinite. The official rules for hats proscribed the Jefferson Davis chapeau (aka Hardee hat) and the forage cap, the kepi. Ironically, the Davis name referred to the time when Davis was a member of the U.S. presidential cabinet and promulgated the hat rule. There is a marked similarity with this early version and the later "cowboy" hat. Even the Hardee hat evolved over time. The crown was lowered and creased in the center. The kepi became the workday standard. It was used for fatigue duty and in campaigns. It had a stiff brim with leather peak. It had a colored hat band displaying branch of service. An officer's rank could be displayed on the crown and the company letter designation on the non officer cap.

Both artillery and cavalry were issued calf high leather boots. Some, in the cavalry, wore thigh high boots for added protection for the exposed leg on horse back. There also was the Jefferson Davis boot that was a mainstay of the army.

The Union soldier was relatively self sustaining in the field. Aside from the clothes he wore and his weapon, food, utensils, clean socks, shelter were carried in his knapsack. Famed artist and on the field observer, Winslow Homer, caught it all in his "Camp" painting. The knapsack is seen hanging, and almost defies science because of the amount to be stuffed in such a small bag. the "Home Sweet Home" title was also the title of music played by the infantry regimental band. This iconic painting is a fit manner to conclude the discussion of the Union uniform.

(primary source of this information is from http://history-of-american-wars.com/civil-war-uniforms.html)

[Challis89]

nice read sir but that font really messes with the eyes

[Legion]

You already have this uniform but I was wondering if you could add the option to wear the brown coat instead of the blue. All it is, is the same coat bleached or dyed to a brownish color, they did this after an incident of friendly fire that way they wouldn't be mistaken for union troops.

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/53c42f6ee4b04c2c1b38af94/53c4366de4b0db3d3fa795ba/53cea63be4b0945af8805d01/1444539336328/Louisiana+Tiger.jpg?format=300w

[PGT Beauregard]

Wouldn't mind being in the Tigers being from Louisiana and all, but I just can't see myself fighting in pajamas :D

[Brooklyn]

I'd like to see the New York Sate Model 1861 Jacket.
http://i.imgur.com/xKym4fu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kn5w1eS.jpg

[Legion]

Wouldn't mind being in the Tigers being from Louisiana and all, but I just can't see myself fighting in pajamas :D

At least we'll be comfortable. plus, those are some pretty sweet looking pajamas :p

[Hinkel]

I'd like to see the New York Sate Model 1861 Jacket.
http://i.imgur.com/xKym4fu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kn5w1eS.jpg

Don't worry, this jacket is a must have and will be in of course ;)
Its already in and I thought, I showed them in one picture.

[Locke1740]

I'd like to see the Charleston Depot Jacket

http://military-historians.org/company/journal/confederate/confederate-3.htm
Scroll down and you will find the jacket

[Hinkel]

You already have this uniform but I was wondering if you could add the option to wear the brown coat instead of the blue. All it is, is the same coat bleached or dyed to a brownish color, they did this after an incident of friendly fire that way they wouldn't be mistaken for union troops.

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/53c42f6ee4b04c2c1b38af94/53c4366de4b0db3d3fa795ba/53cea63be4b0945af8805d01/1444539336328/Louisiana+Tiger.jpg?format=300w

The LA Tigers lost their unique look by the time of the Maryland Campaign.
The soldiers left had a mix look of baggy pants, shell jackets, kepis and such.

They looked like this:
https://youtu.be/v5zPSqRWTgA?t=39

[Bravescot]

They look so silly!

[Brooklyn]

Don't worry, this jacket is a must have and will be in of course ;)
Its already in and I thought, I showed them in one picture.

That's good to hear. :D

[Legion]

The LA Tigers lost their unique look by the time of the Maryland Campaign.
The soldiers left had a mix look of baggy pants, shell jackets, kepis and such.

They looked like this:
https://youtu.be/v5zPSqRWTgA?t=39

I know, but from the screenshot you've shown you do have their uniform. or did you remove it? I was just wondering if you'd have the option for the brownish color jacket.
Also do you have any info on Coppens Zouaves? The Tigers and Coppens were in the same battalion during the Maryland campaign so I was wondering if we'd be seeing a mix of uniforms. There are reports that say Coppens lost their uniforms by the time Antietam rolled around but it's not certain, I was just hoping to see them in-game. Also will we be able to mix different parts of our uniform, like will it be a layered system? like the top with legs or shirt and jacket? That way we could get the look like you see in the video. or will it just be a uniform set that's already set in stone? I hope you will be able to mix and mach so we can look like the vid.
sorry for asking so many questions. I just feel like uniform customization will be a big part of making players feel somewhat unique. and not just copy and paste. And I think players would like that, but who knows.

[Legion]

They look so silly!

They may look silly but they were fierce on the battlefield and off of it

[55thNY Col J-Man11]

I announce, the 1stLA Battalion "Wheat tigers" AKA "The Pajama-Party men" Anyone agree? lol

[JaegerCoyote]

I like to see the 20th New York with their Hardee hats with the rifles trumpet on them.

[RhettVito]

The LA Tigers lost their unique look by the time of the Maryland Campaign.
The soldiers left had a mix look of baggy pants, shell jackets, kepis and such.

They looked like this:
https://youtu.be/v5zPSqRWTgA?t=39

I know the guys in the video hell next year for 2017 I'm going to be the going with the 1st LA Co .B at Gaines Mill 155th It's going to be a all campaigner company !

[Brooklyn]

So one question I have. From what I remember we're going to be able to customize our soldiers and uniforms, but how is the game going to make sure people don't have crazy uniforms that would look really out of place? For example a Zouave wearing a Hardee hat.

[Hinkel]

So one question I have. From what I remember we're going to be able to customize our soldiers and uniforms, but how is the game going to make sure people don't have crazy uniforms that would look really out of place? For example a Zouave wearing a Hardee hat.

There will be a system, which will avoid such mixes ;)

Like, if you choose a zouave jacket, Hardee hats will be locked and such.

[Legion]

There will be a system, which will avoid such mixes ;)

Like, if you choose a zouave jacket, Hardee hats will be locked and such.

Very nice, I hope it still gives some freedom to the player though. Also, any news on the brown jacket and Coppens Zouaves? I know I keep asking but I'm curious.

[Locke1740]

Very nice, I hope it still gives some freedom to the player though. Also, any news on the brown jacket and Coppens Zouaves? I know I keep asking but I'm curious.

I thought I saw somewhere that it will be included but I'm not sure

[Legion]

I thought I saw somewhere that it will be included but I'm not sure

The brown Zouave jacket? It's exactly the same as the blue one, but it was dyed brown after a battle to prevent friendly fire, i hope they add it, along with Coppens uniform.

[Locke1740]

The brown Zouave jacket? It's exactly the same as the blue one, but it was dyed brown after a battle to prevent friendly fire, i hope they add it, along with Coppens uniform.

The brown jacket, I'm pretty sure I saw somebody saw it would be included but I'm questioning my memory

[crazychester1247]

I still think we should have dozens of rings, necklaces, lockets, watches, and other things like that to help develop our soldiers character. Even something as small as adding a wedding ring can add tons of character to our avatar.
and if you do put this in can you please put in a signet ring for The Swedish Singing Society.

[Brooklyn]

I still think we should have dozens of rings, necklaces, lockets, watches, and other things like that to help develop our soldiers character. Even something as small as adding a wedding ring can add tons of character to our avatar.
and if you do put this in can you please put in a signet ring for The Swedish Singing Society.

I don't believe it became customary for men to wear wedding rings in till the 20th Century, but it would still be nice to see all these things.

[MadWolf]

There will be a system, which will avoid such mixes ;)

Like, if you choose a zouave jacket, Hardee hats will be locked and such.

I am glad to hear that.

[crazychester1247]

There will be a system, which will avoid such mixes ;)

Like, if you choose a zouave jacket, Hardee hats will be locked and such.

Thank god!:cool:

[Hinkel]

9th New York Volunteer Infantry, Hawkin's Zouaves.
http://i.imgur.com/NtBMHZh.jpg

Check out the new episode of "The fighting men", pretty sure you will spot them ;)

[Brooklyn]

Check out the new episode of "The fighting men", pretty sure you will spot them ;)

Yes. :D

[Legion]

From what I've researched, the 10th Louisiana "Lee's Foreign Legion" had a Zouave uniform aswell but I can't find any info on what it looked like. Will the 10th have a zouave uniform in game?

[Hinkel]

From what I've researched, the 10th Louisiana "Lee's Foreign Legion" had a Zouave uniform aswell but I can't find any info on what it looked like. Will the 10th have a zouave uniform in game?

Fournet's command ultimately received the official designation 10th Louisiana Infantry Battalion, but it was more commonly known by its nickname, the Yellow Jackets Battalion. While it sounds as if the nickname derived from the wasp-like insect known for its vicious sting, that was not the case at all. In a letter written after the war, a former officer of the battalion [MAJ Arthur SIMON] explained, '... It received the name of Yellow Jackets Battalion as most of the men were dressed with home made yellow cottonade suits. ...'

Nobody knows, how such yellow cottonade suits looked like. So they will mostly share a regular Louisiana Zouave uniform.

[Legion]

Fournet's command ultimately received the official designation 10th Louisiana Infantry Battalion, but it was more commonly known by its nickname, the Yellow Jackets Battalion. While it sounds as if the nickname derived from the wasp-like insect known for its vicious sting, that was not the case at all. In a letter written after the war, a former officer of the battalion [MAJ Arthur SIMON] explained, '... It received the name of Yellow Jackets Battalion as most of the men were dressed with home made yellow cottonade suits. ...'

Nobody knows, how such yellow cottonade suits looked like. So they will mostly share a regular Louisiana Zouave uniform.

I was refering to the 10th LA regiment which fought in the AnV

[Hinkel]

I was refering to the 10th LA regiment which fought in the AnV

Its the same, the 10th LA was known as the Yellow Jackets Battalion, inside the LA Tigers. They had a uniform, which consists of yellow cottonade suits.

[Legion]

Its the same, the 10th LA was known as the Yellow Jackets Battalion, inside the LA Tigers. They had a uniform, which consists of yellow cottonade suits.

It wasn't. The Yellow jacket Battalion was consolidated with the 18th La infantry to form the 18th Louisiana Regiment, the 18th LA reg didn't fight in the AnV, The 10th LA reg did. The 10th is known as Lee's foreign legion and had a zouave uniform aswell.

[Hinkel]

It wasn't. The Yellow jacket Battalion was consolidated with the 18th La infantry to form the 18th Louisiana Regiment, the 18th LA reg didn't fight in the AnV, The 10th LA reg did. The 10th is known as Lee's foreign legion and had a zouave uniform aswell.

Ohh well.. so basicly ragged Zouave uniforms then. Like the rest of the Tigers.

Like

1) Shell jacket, baggy pants, kepi
2) Zouave jacket, Kersey pants, Fez
3) Shell jacket, Baggy, Fez

and such.

[Legion]

Ohh well.. so basicly ragged Zouave uniforms then. Like the rest of the Tigers.

Like

1) Shell jacket, baggy pants, kepi
2) Zouave jacket, Kersey pants, Fez
3) Shell jacket, Baggy, Fez

and such.

That would work. But will you get to choose or will it just be only those three options? Like will you be able to select what pants you want to wear and then what jacket etc etc or will it be like a suit that is already put together kind like N&S? I hope it's separated into pieces like Jacket,Pants,Hat and not just sets you can choose from.

Also just letting you know, Coppens had a different uniform from the rest of the Tigers

[Brooklyn]

Hinkel in the new "The fighting men" video what regiment is the one with the red kepi and pants? Is it the 14th NYSM? I'm not sure because the jackets don't look like the chasseur style jackets worn by the 14th.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Photograph_believed_to_be_Pvt_Alonzo_Thompson_of_t he_14th_New_York_Infantry_aka_%22Brooklyn_Devils%2 2.jpg

[Hinkel]

Hinkel in the new "The fighting men" video what regiment is the one with the red kepi and pants? Is it the 14th NYSM? I'm not sure because the jackets don't look like the chasseur style jackets worn by the 14th.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Photograph_believed_to_be_Pvt_Alonzo_Thompson_of_t he_14th_New_York_Infantry_aka_%22Brooklyn_Devils%2 2.jpg

Its the 14th Brooklyn, yes. But I just assigned a Sack coat (placeholder), since their Jacket is not done yet.

[Hinkel]

That would work. But will you get to choose or will it just be only those three options? Like will you be able to select what pants you want to wear and then what jacket etc etc or will it be like a suit that is already put together kind like N&S? I hope it's separated into pieces like Jacket,Pants,Hat and not just sets you can choose from.


You will be able to customize your uniform later. Its more random in the beginning, once the unique customization is finished.

[Brooklyn]

Its the 14th Brooklyn, yes. But I just assigned a Sack coat (placeholder), since their Jacket is not done yet.

Had a feeling that's what it might have been.

[Legion]

You will be able to customize your uniform later. Its more random in the beginning, once the unique customization is finished.

That's good to know. Anyways good work, I can't wait to see all that y'all do with this game

[Legion]

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[crazychester1247]

unfortunatly I can't get GIFS to work so I had to delete my post.

I guess this will have to do.

You will be able to customize your uniform later. Its more random in the beginning, once the unique customization is finished.

https://youtu.be/IkbQE_XSYi0

[michaelsmithern]

I personally wouldn't mind seeing the absence of shoes from the confederates. or even more hats and haversacks. it's the little things you know, but currently if you released today i would be satisfied.

[Legion]

I personally wouldn't mind seeing the absence of shoes from the confederates. or even more hats and haversacks. it's the little things you know, but currently if you released today i would be satisfied.

I don't think they had much supply shortages during the Maryland campaign but I'm not sure

[A. P. Hill]

I was just re-reading one of my more favorite books, actually a part of a 3 volume set. The set ... "Lee's Lieutenants" by Douglas Southall Freeman. It's actually volume 1. I found a rather pointed reference with regards to certain units and their uniforms.

The date, May 18th 1862, Jackson and Ewell are in the Valley. It's near the start of Jackson's famous Valley campaign. Taylor's Brigade, part of Ewell's division are taking part in the preparations. (For those who don't know, Taylor's Brigade is the Louisiana Brigade, consisting of the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, & 14th LA units.)

I quote.


On the 19th, when the columns got in motion, Jackson sent orders that Ewell should camp beyond New Market the next day and, on the 21st, should proceed beyond Mount Jackson. Ewell understood. It was not his entire force but Taylor's Brigade only that was to proceed down the western side of the Massanuttons. Under the vigilant eye of Taylor himself, the Louisianans made the long march to New Market on the 20th. As the Brigade approached, the veterans of Jackson's own command flocked to see the men from the far South. "Over 3000 strong, Taylor recalled, "neat in fresh clothing of gray with white gaiters, bands playing at the head of their regiments, not a straggler, but every man in his place, stepping jauntily as on parade. ...'" Mr. Freeman footnotes this Taylor's own publication page 49

[michaelsmithern]

I don't think they had much supply shortages during the Maryland campaign but I'm not sure

You're right and wrong, while not a complete issue to the confederacy yet, some regiment did not have shoes, and were hoping to get some during the maryland campaign, although due to the Army of Northern Virginia withdrawing from Sharpsburg this would never happen. When the Gettysburg Campaign came around it was an issue as a lot more units were shoeless

[A. P. Hill]

Also due to the quality, or lack thereof, many pairs of shoes never lasted over the course of 3 or 4 months. Uniforms were required to be changed out every 6 months. Supplies being available of course. And those supplies either through the CSA quartermaster supply, or captured union equipments.

[Legion]

I was just re-reading one of my more favorite books, actually a part of a 3 volume set. The set ... "Lee's Lieutenants" by Douglas Southall Freeman. It's actually volume 1. I found a rather pointed reference with regards to certain units and their uniforms.

The date, May 18th 1862, Jackson and Ewell are in the Valley. It's near the start of Jackson's famous Valley campaign. Taylor's Brigade, part of Ewell's division are taking part in the preparations. (For those who don't know, Taylor's Brigade is the Louisiana Brigade, consisting of the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, & 14th LA units.)

I quote.

Mr. Freeman footnotes this Taylor's own publication page 49

Very cool, I know that none of those units ever had the nice zouave uniforms but they were still cool, the 9th is arguably the most famous LA regiment in the AnV. Taylor's brigade eventually became Hays brigade after Taylor was transfered.

[A. P. Hill]

... Taylor's brigade eventually became Hays brigade after Taylor was transfered.

That's true, which is why it is under Hays in the order of battle in the CSA company pages.

[Legion]

That's true, which is why it is under Hays in the order of battle in the CSA company pages.

Taylor didn't lead for very long, it was known as Hays brigade for most of the war. One of the best brigades in the South besides Texas IMO

[Locke1740]

Taylor didn't lead for very long, it was known as Hays brigade for most of the war. One of the best brigades in the South besides Texas IMO

What about Greggs Brigade (sad puppy face) nobody thinks about Greggs Brigade

[Legion]

What about Greggs Brigade (sad puppy face) nobody thinks about Greggs Brigade

I said Texas brigade.
Edit: Nvm you meant before he took command of Hoods Texans correct?

[Locke1740]

No, I'm indicating that I thought Maxcy Greggs Brigade is one of the best brigades, like you said for Hays and hoods brigades

[Legion]

No, I'm indicating that I thought Maxcy Greggs Brigade is one of the best brigades, like you said for Hays and hoods brigades

Oh, I thought you meant John Gregg

[Locke1740]

Nah, Maxcy Gregg best Gregg

[Legion]

Nah, Maxcy Gregg best Gregg

Ah I see, I don't really know anything about his brigade or his accomplishments so that's why I didn't include it. And I'm not saying Texas and Louisiana were the only good brigades, but from what I know, they are some of the best fighters in the AnV. But there are many good brigades in the south, the average confederate brigade was much better than the yankees so no worries:p

[Locke1740]

Ah I see, I don't really know anything about his brigade or his accomplishments so that's why I didn't include it. And I'm not saying Texas and Louisiana were the only good brigades, but from what I know, they are some of the best fighters in the AnV. But there are many good brigades in the south, the average confederate brigade was much better than the yankees so no worries:p

True my friend, let me tell you a little about Maxcy Gregg's South Carolina brigade, formed in the Spring of 1862, the brigade at first consisted of 5000 men but after the outbreak of a disease, was left with 3000, MG Brigade also marched with Gen Jackson behind enemy lines to destroy manasses junction, and at Second Manasses held off multiple federal assaults on the railroad cut they were in and when MG Brigade ran out of ammo they engaged in hand to hand combat and eventually won the day but with 600 casualties. MG Brigade also was part of A. P. Hills divison in the Battle of Anteitem. Then at Fredericksburg while repulsion a breakthrough in Jackson's line, Maxcy Gregg was mortality wounded when shot in the spine. Samuel Mcgowan then took over command of the brigade and for the rest of the war it was known as McGowans brigade. The brigade would later fight at Chancellorsville, Gettysburg, Bristoe Campaign, Mine Run Campaign, Wilderness, Spotsylvania, Cold Harbor, Petersburg and Appotomax.

It was always under A. P. Hill

[crazychester1247]

Hey devs, can you add in Dragoon uniforms? Their just the regular cav uniforms but with orange piping as they were considered a different branch of the army.
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[Brooklyn]

Model 1839 forage cap. I know it was worn by some Confederates earlier in the War, not to sure about the Maryland Campaign, but I've always liked the look.
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[PGT Beauregard]

At least we'll be comfortable. plus, those are some pretty sweet looking pajamas :p

No doubt about that. They remind me of my Tai Chi pants which are very comfortable whether it is cold or hot outside.
Zouave uniforms may be gaudy looking, but they are very comfortable and much more practical than thick wool.

[JaegerCoyote]

The 20th NY's uniform as seen here in this Don Troiani painting.
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[FranciscoJuarezGarcia]

What about adding Italian-Americans? Like Garibaldi Legion and Garibaldi Guard (39th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment).

[salad]

I think the 1st minnesota with their red shirts with black boots, pants, harness, top hat.
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[Locke1740]

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1st South Carolina Rifle Regiment, also know as Orr's Rifles where part of Gregg's Brigade, A. P. Hill's Light Division, another nickname was the Black Hats of the South, or something along those lines

[Duffy]

What about adding Italian-Americans? Like Garibaldi Legion and Garibaldi Guard (39th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment).

+1 for this idea. Haven't seen much other mention of the Garibaldi Guards yet.

[Museal]

Something I hope is the the Confed Zouaves dont just have the Wheat Tiger pantaloons but also standerd red pantaloons which they also had from imertating the French Uniform

http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/coppenszouaves/uniform.jpg

[Legion]

Something I hope is the the Confed Zouaves dont just have the Wheat Tiger pantaloons but also standerd red pantaloons which they also had from imertating the French Uniform

http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/coppenszouaves/uniform.jpg
Coppens Zouaves also had a different jacket, it had yellow trim instead of the red that you see on all the other zouave uniforms.
Coppens Zouaves looked the closest to the actual french zouave uniform, they would have loked something like this-

http://www.historicalimagebank.com/gallery/d/26003-1/TCWSC52+-+Coppens+Zouaves_+Louisiana+Battalion+1861.jpghttp ://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/valkyrie621/AMER%20CIVIL%20WAR/Coppens%20Zouaves/coppensfull2.jpg
This next image is a picture of Coppens and his brother.
http://cowansauctions.com/itemImages/d4245.jpg
And the one below is a picture of the Coppens batalion
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0_ZRq-Ta4aA/VMbKFNETqYI/AAAAAAAADjw/vLPpMng5ea0/s1600/tigers1.jpg

[Beanbomb]

I would love to see state-specific items, like a texas star on the hat or something, as well as customize the style of slouch hat (I know a lot of soldiers pinned the front of the hat up, as well as the side to keep the gun from hitting the hat)

[Locke1740]

Im hoping that the South Carolina Volunteer shoulder insignia will be included, most of it looks like northern insignia but Colonel-Major General are different

http://uniforminsignia.org/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=3744

[Brooklyn]

72nd Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry.
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[MacMillan]

Difference of pinning your forage cap would be awesome! Some liked it really tight to the head, while others would pin it off to the side. Would also love to see State and CSA belt buckles. SC, NC, and VA are the most common state specific buckles I've seen with the two letter state abbreviation on them. Also seen buckles with the lone star on them for Texans - I think it'd really add an extra twinkle to the game - allowing Regiments to issue/approve different belt buckles :)

[JohnSmirnov]

I would like to see Berdan Sharpshooters with their green uniforms (though early they used to wear gray though from what I remember they were Union soldiers).

[Hinkel]

I would like to see Berdan Sharpshooters with their green uniforms (though early they used to wear gray though from what I remember they were Union soldiers).

Many union regiments used grey uniforms in 1861, like Wisconsin and New York regiments.
While some southerners had lovely blue outfits.

They started to change that after some months of course :)
But still, some union regiments fought in grey throughout the entire war.

[A. P. Hill]

Many union regiments used grey uniforms in 1861, like Wisconsin and New York regiments.
While some southerners had lovely blue outfits.

They started to change that after some months of course :)
But still, some union regiments fought in grey throughout the entire war.

And many times confederates fought in union blues courtesy of the US Quartermaster.

[crazychester1247]

And many times confederates fought in union blues courtesy of the US Quartermaster.

and as Hinkel mentioned the southerners had their own type of blue too.


Difference of pinning your forage cap would be awesome! Some liked it really tight to the head, while others would pin it off to the side. Would also love to see State and CSA belt buckles. SC, NC, and VA are the most common state specific buckles I've seen with the two letter state abbreviation on them. Also seen buckles with the lone star on them for Texans - I think it'd really add an extra twinkle to the game - allowing Regiments to issue/approve different belt buckles :)

I would love it if they added in all kinds of buttons, patches, and pins to customize our company uniforms.

Some of the union division badges.
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Union service branch hat badges.
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Don't forget the hat numbers/letters. That way even companies with the same uniform can tell the difference between each other.
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[JohnSmirnov]

Many union regiments used grey uniforms in 1861, like Wisconsin and New York regiments.
While some southerners had lovely blue outfits.

They started to change that after some months of course :)
But still, some union regiments fought in grey throughout the entire war.
That's interesting. I remember some of them also used black/dark-blue uniforms like Iron Brigade (if I remember right).

[A. P. Hill]

Those units belonging to the U.S. Regulars wore all blue. The light blue pants were 3 month volunteers who signed up for the duration of the conflict. It was the military's way of keeping track of who was who.

[1SGT Shannon]

Some of the union division badges.
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Union Corps badges were not officially issued until 12 March 1863. :)

[FirstDiv2Corps]

Those units belonging to the U.S. Regulars wore all blue. The light blue pants were 3 month volunteers who signed up for the duration of the conflict. It was the military's way of keeping track of who was who.

Regulars wore all dark-blue uniforms with Hardee hats early in the war, as part of their dress uniform. By the second half of the war, even Regulars were wearing sack coats, light blue pants, and forage caps.

[SemajRednaxela]

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hIdIAFGMCgEC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=21st+mississippi+uniform&source=bl&ots=j3ENzwHE_I&sig=yzdVZGvee5e9pjDxTpHSNSxLMBU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN3PeijY_MAhWGbRQKHc9JDv0Q6AEISzAM#v=on epage&q=21st%20mississippi%20uniform&f=true

Would you just look at at those South Carolina uniforms..... Really hope these boys will be represented.

[Locke1740]

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hIdIAFGMCgEC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=21st+mississippi+uniform&source=bl&ots=j3ENzwHE_I&sig=yzdVZGvee5e9pjDxTpHSNSxLMBU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN3PeijY_MAhWGbRQKHc9JDv0Q6AEISzAM#v=on epage&q=21st%20mississippi%20uniform&f=true

Would you just look at at those South Carolina uniforms..... Really hope these boys will be represented.

Wel, of course my friend! We have only, the best uniforms! :D but seriously thank you for showing me this, I love it!

[crazychester1247]

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hIdIAFGMCgEC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=21st+mississippi+uniform&source=bl&ots=j3ENzwHE_I&sig=yzdVZGvee5e9pjDxTpHSNSxLMBU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN3PeijY_MAhWGbRQKHc9JDv0Q6AEISzAM#v=on epage&q=21st%20mississippi%20uniform&f=true

Would you just look at at those South Carolina uniforms..... Really hope these boys will be represented.

Holy crap! Nice uniforms. If I have enough time to join a confederate company I'll probably join on of those ones just because of their uniforms.

[Locke1740]

Holy crap! Nice uniforms. If I have enough time to join a confederate company I'll probably join on of those ones just because of their uniforms.

Hint 2nd SCV Hint

[Legion]

Just a suggestion, if you add the straw hats to the Tigers uniform you should add some slogans to the band on the hat like the real Tigers did.
Slogans like, Lincoln’s Life or a Tiger’s Death, Tiger by Nature, Tiger in Search of Abe, Tiger Bound for Happy Land, Tiger Will Never Surrender. I don't know all the slogans that were on the hats but these were some of them.

EDIT: Also, for the fez it should be red or blue (there's debate about which one it really was) but we know for certain it was never gold/yellow.

And if you do add the brown zouave jacket it should be a bleached color (whatever dark/navy blue looks when it's bleached) because they weren't originally brown, the soldiers bleached the blue jackets after a friendly fire incident.

Sry if I've posted all this before, I'm just hyped.

[Sir Doctor Professor]

I'm just hyped.

Aren't we all?

[Owen Emerson]

Id like to see anyone with kilts, and some nice greens for skirmishers
I don't know who but I think some Irish units wore kilts. The USSS they are sharpshooters not skirmishers but they do wear green uniforms.

[JaegerCoyote]

Brady's Sharpshooters when they were mustered in, wore Hardee hats, green coats like Berdan's, and grey pants, while Stockton's Independent Regiment (16th MI) wore all dark blue early on as they were raised for SoW.

[Burger Rambo]

I don't know who but I think some Irish units wore kilts. The USSS they are sharpshooters not skirmishers but they do wear green uniforms.

There were ZERO units who wore kilts into battle, the only regiment who got kilts during the war were camerons highlanders. But they didnt keep them very long. The last record of one being worn was a sergeant right before the first battle of Mannasas.

[Beanbomb]

when i think "more unique" i want to see 2 things: Regiment specific uniforms (like berdan sharpshooters). I would also like to see every variant of uniform color for the csa, as well as a visual difference between wool and jean wool. minor things like types of pockets, number of buttons done, variants of slouch hats, and other very small details.

[Legion]

when i think "more unique" i want to see 2 things: Regiment specific uniforms (like berdan sharpshooters). I would also like to see every variant of uniform color for the csa, as well as a visual difference between wool and jean wool. minor things like types of pockets, number of buttons done, variants of slouch hats, and other very small details.

Agreed, one of the reasons I mentioned the slogans on the Tigers hats

[Hiram Lee]

I would like alot of customization but not at the exspense of the devs as its very hard to do this and we need to be very thankful to them for what they have done for us and all they are going to do

[Wildcat]

Will it be possible for some Confederates to spawn with Straw Hats?

http://fanninsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/P9080119.jpg

im pretty sure the guy at the front with the straw hat was in the Conan video where he went to a civil war reenactment :P

[yoyo8346]

im pretty sure the guy at the front with the straw hat was in the Conan video where he went to a civil war reenactment :P

You're right. I knew I recognized him from somewhere. :p

[Wildcat]

I guess ear rings were worn in the civil war then?

[Hiram Lee]

I guess ear rings were worn in the civil war then?
probably as pirates and naval men wore them so it wouldnt be that odd to see and it could be used to identify the body

[crazychester1247]

when i think "more unique" i want to see 2 things: Regiment specific uniforms (like berdan sharpshooters). I would also like to see every variant of uniform color for the csa, as well as a visual difference between wool and jean wool. minor things like types of pockets, number of buttons done, variants of slouch hats, and other very small details.

Exactly what I want.

[Mississippi]

What Union / Confederate Uniform would you like to see in game for this next stretched goal? I would like to see the the 6th Alabama Company I "Raccoon Roughs" John Brown Gordon's mountain men. They wore raccoon hats like Davy Crockett!

6th Alabama, is in CSA Drill Camp!
Thanks Campfire Games!

[ThePatriot98]

I would like to see the 44th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment,they were in the Maryland Campaign and also they were in the reserves at Antietam. The Ellsworth avengers. They got a pretty intensive history, and they got the largest monument at Gettysburg. They got cool blue & red uniform combination. 3715

This was worn by them from 1862-1864.3716

[crazychester1247]

I want all the zouaves, ALL OF THEM!
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I'll find some more who were in the maryland campaign.

[Wildcat]

We got the coppens zouaves woooooooo!

[Legion]

We got the coppens zouaves woooooooo!

I'm happy we got it:) Still needs some work but it looks great so far.

[JaegerCoyote]

I like to see our company, Brady's Sharpshooters and/or one of the non-Berdan sharpshooters.

[yoyo8346]

What about the 2nd, 5th, or 8th Florida :cool:

[LukeYoung]

im pretty sure the guy at the front with the straw hat was in the Conan video where he went to a civil war reenactment :P

Almost everyone in that picture was in the Conan show , hell i was even in it but i'm not in the same unit as these guys. These guys are in the 28th Georgia part of the Georgia division , picture was taken a few years ago at tunnel hill.

[Wildcat]

and the devs have fixed the coppens uniform! THANK YOU DEVS!!

[Legion]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_co6BQ9Va0uM/TBgtRlgqGHI/AAAAAAAAAv0/OU8rnvzEhZg/s1600/Louisiana+Confederate+Tigers.jpg
An interesting battle-flag of the Louisiana Tigers, not sure what regiment it belonged to but it would have been one in the AnV.
I know it's not a uniform but I thought I'd add it.

[Oleander]

I think that belongs to either the 8th or 9th. Both lost flags at Gettysburg, though I believe the 8th's was destroyed by souvenir keepers.

[Legion]

It's too bad we don't have more information on it. If we could find out if it was captured on Culps Hill or Cemetery Hill we could narrow it down to certain regiments.

[Lance Rawlings]

I would like to see some 1861 NC regulation sack coats, as these would be common in the Maryland campaign for North Carolina troops. And the trousers with the black stripe, let's not forget those!


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[JaegerCoyote]

the 27th has the black and grey uniform as one of the random uniforms, its awesome.

[Lance Rawlings]

the 27th has the black and grey uniform as one of the random uniforms, its awesome.

Yeah, that's true, however I find them to be too short in length to be authentic. I hope these will be updated and extended to all NC units. However, their should be some mixed coats, not just the 1861 sack. Also, the 27th is shown all in kepis or forage caps, most of which would have been replaced with civilian slouch hats by this time. They should also have the option for a Georgia frame belt and roller belt, as these were more common than the "CS" belt buckles. I also hope that we will be able to modify the color of uniforms, from maybe a dark gray to a light tan color.

[Mississippi]

I am very excited to see what uniforms we get next!

[JaegerCoyote]

I wonder if we can mix parts of the Kickstarter reward uniforms.

[Lance Rawlings]

I wonder if we can mix parts of the Kickstarter reward uniforms.

Mixing parts of uniforms would be awesome to reach ideal authenticity!

[JaegerCoyote]

Yeah, like wearing the 79th NY coat with sky blue trousers.

[Mississippi]

I wonder if we can mix parts of the Kickstarter reward uniforms.

Mixing seems like a fantastic idea!

[Kyle422]

When customization comes out you can mix and match stuff. But there will be limitations to keep it historical so you don't have guys out in the field looking like dumbasses.

[JaegerCoyote]

That what I want, Kyle.

[A. P. Hill]

When customization comes out you can mix and match stuff. But there will be limitations to keep it historical so you don't have guys out in the field looking like dumbasses.

Dumbasses are lead magnets! ;)

[Lance Rawlings]

That sounds good, Kyle.

I would also love to see Louisiana state issue uniforms with the black trim all the way around.

I also just noticed that the NC coats in the game have a black standing collar. This would actually not have black trim, and it would be a folded collar.

[Legion]

I would also love to see Louisiana state issue uniforms with the black trim all the way around.


I hope to see this.

[Hinkel]

I hope to see this.

Are there any references for such a jacket?
Would be great to have 4-5 different pictures, different view angles and some text about it. Thanks ;)

[Legion]

Are there any references for such a jacket?
Would be great to have 4-5 different pictures, different view angles and some text about it. Thanks ;)

I'll try and dig up some more info and pics on it.

Here is one picture of the jackets, I'll try and find more.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/65/da/ed/65daed82a32b76096a415d2e97621a87.jpg

This is a pic of a pvt in the 2nd LAhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/0/05/20081015220601!Edwin_Francis_Jemison.jpg

Unidentified Louisiana Soldier, notice the black trim.
http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me2e41GnoE1rd3evlo1_1280.jpg

Here are some pics of a frock coat from the 5th LA
http://www.cjdaley.com/newsletter/LA%20Frock%20(20).JPG
http://www.cjdaley.com/newsletter/LA%20Frock%20(27).JPG

Here is a link to the page, it has some more info on it.
http://www.cjdaley.com/5thlafrock.htm

[Lance Rawlings]

Thanks for that, Legion! Yeah, Those are the ones. I had the first picture specifically in mind

[JohnSmirnov]

I think it would be nice to see Quantrill's Raiders (Bushwhackers) who were pro-Confederate partisan rangers.

[Hinkel]

I think it would be nice to see Quantrill's Raiders (Bushwhackers) who were pro-Confederate partisan rangers.

The game is about the Maryland Campaign of 1862 only.
You will just see the units, which took part in the battles like Antietam and Harpers Ferry.

[JohnSmirnov]

I see... werent Quantrill's Raiders active from 1861 to 1865 though? Or I got something wrong?.....

[Hinkel]

I see... werent Quantrill's Raiders active from 1861 to 1865 though? Or I got something wrong?.....

They weren't active during the battles of the Maryland Campaign. So they won't be ingame ;)

[JohnSmirnov]

They weren't active during the battles of the Maryland Campaign. So they won't be ingame ;)

Oh, I get it now, thanks.

[JaegerCoyote]

If you are interested, the Union had two partisan units at Harper's Ferry, the Loudoun Rangers (Only Union unit from present day Virginia) and the 1st Maryland Calvary, Potomac Home Brigade.