Real Guns

[Tom Meagher]

Whaddya shoot and how pretty is it? Post pics of your arsenals

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(not pictured: repro 1851 with rattlesnake grips, repro 1858)

[Mi'kmaq]

I own a .22 for home defense and small game hunting. Im looking to buy an AK47 or a Mosin Nagant.

[JaegerCoyote]

I have a CZ75B Omega

[Locke1740]

I have a Marlin Glenfield Model A repeating rifle, 3030 rounds

[Rithal]

A few family heirlooms, and a browning 9mm + a Smith and Wesson M&P for home defense. No pre-1900s weapons unfortunately. I would love to have one though.

[Locke1740]

A few family heirlooms, and a browning 9mm + a Smith and Wesson M&P for home defense. No pre-1900s weapons unfortunately. I would love to have one though.

I would love to have a family heirloom that was a weapon, but i have other things

[Legion]

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I also have a 12 gauge SbS but it's disassembled so I didn't add it. The Winchester 1873 needs some work but it is original, it's been in my family for over 100 years, I think my great grandfather bought it in 1876.
I plan on adding many more firearms to my arsenal, the Springfield Model 1892–99, Martini Henry Mk 1-4, A Mississippi Rifle, and a 1851 Colt Navy are the firearms that I plan to add next. Oh and a M1 Garand.
And one day when I have enough I plan on buying this baby and doin some target practice with it.
http://steencannons.com/cannons/maconaugusta-foundry-12-pounder-napoleon/

[Willy The Walrus]

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I also have a 12 gauge SbS but it's disassembled so I didn't add it. The Winchester 1873 needs some work but it is original, it's been in my family for over 100 years, I think my great grandfather bought it in 1876.
I plan on adding many more firearms to my arsenal, the Springfield Model 1892–99, Martini Henry Mk 1-4, A Mississippi Rifle, and a 1851 Colt Navy are the firearms that I plan to add next. Oh and a M1 Garand.
And one day when I have enough I plan on buying this baby and doin some target practice with it.
http://steencannons.com/cannons/maconaugusta-foundry-12-pounder-napoleon/

How much do they cost? The cannon.

[Legion]

How much do they cost? The cannon.
I think around 20k for all of it but I'm not sure I think the cannon itself is around 10-12k

[Mi'kmaq]

Im gonna buy a Mosin Nagant real soon. Found a few that are quite cheap. Prices range from around $100-$150.

[David Dire]

I'm no expert in modern arms (I only really am into medieval swords and muskets) but surely 100-150 is a bit too good to be true?

[Legion]

I'm no expert in modern arms (I only really am into medieval swords and muskets) but surely 100-150 is a bit too good to be true?

Mosins are one of the cheapest rifles to buy. You used to be able to buy them for less than 100 bucks a few years back

[David Dire]

Interesting. It seems like a pretty high quality gun too.

[Legion]

Interesting. It seems like a pretty high quality gun too.

I'm not so sure about high quality but definitely an interesting gun.

[Mi'kmaq]

I'm no expert in modern arms (I only really am into medieval swords and muskets) but surely 100-150 is a bit too good to be true?

Legion is right, Mosins are extremely cheap. In the 90's you could easily find a Chinese Mosin for around $60.

[Mi'kmaq]

Interesting. It seems like a pretty high quality gun too.

From what I've seen, Russian made Mosins tend to be of higher quality than the Chinese ones. You gotta watch out for that when looking for one. Not saying you can't find a good Chinese Mosin, but its that there are a lot of em out there that are falling apart.

[David Dire]

Not super high quality, but for the price of 100-150 that seems like a pretty good idea. With the russian/chinese thing that seems to be how it goes for a lot of products, such as people who don't like buying swords from India as they generally are made with lower quality.

[Cube210]

If you get a Mosin just be sure to completely get rid of the preservative grease. That stuff will gunk you up something fierce.

I own..
A blackpowder rifle I am building from scratch. Jim chambers deluxe lock, Green mountain 42" .50 barrel on a Lancaster county stock.
A horrid CVA Hawken.
A pieta 1851 Navy Colt
Marlin 336 with the happy trigger and Williams peep. FYI Lyman techs are incredible with helping pick the best front sight.
Marlin 60 with Tech Sight (father son product its really god.) I love this little rifle.
Henry AR7 with skeletonized collapsible stock, steel sporter barrel.
Winchester Model 70 featherweight.
1936 M91/30 with springs modified and trigger slop removed.
1935 K98K First year production.
Bersa Ultra Compact Pro. My daily carry gun, sits on my desk.
Colt Detective special. OMG this revolver is so cute but it points really well. 1.8 inch barrel but can hit water bottles at 20 meters.
Remington 870 Police Magnum
Remington 870 configured for hunting.
H&R pardner Single
H&R 1954 M1 Garand. From the CMP :D
Norinco SKS
Homemade AR 15 with a M16A4 upper from F&N. I used to have a 16 inch mid-length H-Bar but then I wanted my AR like my service rifle.
Bear Archery Grizzly Recurve 50 pound
Glock 23 Gen 4
Ruger Super Redhawk in .357
American Classic II 1911
Keltec P3AT

and I'm currently waiting to purchase a Pedersoli 1816 Flintlock.



*I won't gloat but I have formal education in gunsmithing, and have shot nothing but expert so far in my military career.
If theres ever anything firearms related I can help with please PM me with any questions. From laws, general info, where to buy and save, what to avoid. I don't know all but I know where to get no BS answers and my not knowing is a chance to learn. I've made some mistakes, so hopefully you wont have to.

[Legion]

If you get a Mosin just be sure to completely get rid of the preservative grease. That stuff will gunk you up something fierce.

I own..
A blackpowder rifle I am building from scratch. Jim chambers deluxe lock, Green mountain 42" .50 barrel on a Lancaster county stock.
A horrid CVA Hawken.
A pieta 1851 Navy Colt
Marlin 336 with the happy trigger and Williams peep. FYI Lyman techs are incredible with helping pick the best front sight.
Marlin 60 with Tech Sight (father son product its really god.) I love this little rifle.
Henry AR7 with skeletonized collapsible stock, steel sporter barrel.
Winchester Model 70 featherweight.
1936 M91/30 with springs modified and trigger slop removed.
1935 K98K First year production.
Bersa Ultra Compact Pro. My daily carry gun, sits on my desk.
Colt Detective special. OMG this revolver is so cute but it points really well. 1.8 inch barrel but can hit water bottles at 20 meters.
Remington 870 Police Magnum
Remington 870 configured for hunting.
H&R pardner Single
H&R 1954 M1 Garand. From the CMP :D
Norinco SKS
Homemade AR 15 with a M16A4 upper from F&N. I used to have a 16 inch mid-length H-Bar but then I wanted my AR like my service rifle.
Bear Archery Grizzly Recurve 50 pound
Glock 23 Gen 4
Ruger Super Redhawk in .357
American Classic II 1911
Keltec P3AT

and I'm currently waiting to purchase a Pedersoli 1816 Flintlock.



*I won't gloat but I have formal education in gunsmithing, and have shot nothing but expert so far in my military career.
If theres ever anything firearms related I can help with please PM me with any questions. From laws, general info, where to buy and save, what to avoid. I don't know all but I know where to get no BS answers and my not knowing is a chance to learn. I've made some mistakes, so hopefully you wont have to.

What branch?

[Cube210]

What branch?

Army :D

[Legion]

Army :D

Nice, should have joined the Corps:p
Thank you for your service, I plan on trying to join again once I get out of college this summer

[Cube210]

Nice, should have joined the Corps:p
Thank you for your service, I plan on trying to join again once I get out of college this summer

Marines are the brave few who run towards the screaming of battle.

U.S. Army are the guys causing the screams of battle with artillery :D

[ThePatriot98]

About Mosin Nagant, I have yet to get one, which I definitely will, but yea a few years ago they used to cost at perfect condition for around $100 WITH accessories! Now as you see, for a good quality one on gunbroker for example it's at least 200. I prefer Russian one over Chinese too, idk but its a russian rifle so let the maker be russian than made in china lol. And about its quality, the Russian Army used it for over 60 years or even more, for me a battle proven rifle is a very good quality one.

[Duffy]

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My collection, only thing missing is my reproduction Confederate copy Colt Navy.
From left to right:
1728 French Marine musket
Martini Henry MkII
M1 Garand
30-40 Krag
Mosin Nagant
Russian Capture K98 (x2)
All matching minus the stock Mauser k98
M95 Steyr
Ruger SR9

[Legion]

Marines are the brave few who run towards the screaming of battle.

U.S. Army are the guys causing the screams of battle with artillery :D

Lol nice, artillery is always good.

[David Dire]

Since I'm probably getting my musket soon, I have to ask where anybody who does fire muskets buy their blackpowder from?

[chamberlain]

i have some .22lrs some shot guns, my dad has a mosin nagant Rifles many shot guns and we are civil war reenactors so we have springfields and more as we hunt

[chamberlain]

Since I'm probably getting my musket soon, I have to ask where anybody who does fire muskets buy their blackpowder from?

i would buy pyrodex you get a nice loud boom with it i use it with my springfield and i love how good it is

[Legion]

Since I'm probably getting my musket soon, I have to ask where anybody who does fire muskets buy their blackpowder from?

You can buy it online at midway usa and other gun supply stores or you can go to your local gunshop/supply and they probably have some, just make sure you get blackpowder and not smokeless powder, smokeless powder is deadly in a blackpowder firearm

[Mi'kmaq]

Since I'm probably getting my musket soon, I have to ask where anybody who does fire muskets buy their blackpowder from?

Walmart, Gander Mountain, Bass Pro Shop, Dick's, and nearly every little ma and pa gun shop.

[chamberlain]

most out door shops have black powder and smoke less powder in a black powder gun your looking at a bomb like i said pyrodex is good i use it for reenacting and its loud so you git more real of a shot

[David Dire]

Thanks for the help everyone!

Ironically I've been getting some pretty good answers and support for more expensive and advanced things such as muskets/guns yet can't find a good place for reenactment type clothing, which is basically just a shaped material :P

[Willy The Walrus]

I think around 20k for all of it but I'm not sure I think the cannon itself is around 10-12k

Dang well good luck with that I found a pak 40mm at a auction with my dad for 90k

[Legion]

Dang well good luck with that I found a pak 40mm at a auction with my dad for 90k

Dang, I bet that ammo is hard to find and expensive, all i'd have to do for a cannon is cast my shot with a mould

[Sneaky Cheese]

American's and their guns

[Legion]

American's and their guns

Yes, we do love our firearms:D and we really don't like people who try and take them away from us

[Sneaky Cheese]

Yes, we do love our firearms:D and we really don't like people who try and take them away from us

Haha Fair enough!

[Moneyman12167]

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[Legion]

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Very nice set of firearms Sir, I've been lookin to get a Garand myself, but their a bit pricey and not very common

[Moneyman12167]

I bought my Garand for around 2k. The ammo is not cheap either compared to buying mosin/k98 ammo. Also found more photos!
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[Cube210]

I'm not a pyrodex fan, honest blackpowder for me. But then again I hate blanks with a passion. Find reenactors or rendezvous events folks their typically buy powder in bulk and you can get in on it.
Law states you can only have 50 pounds of loose black powder at your residence so go crazy. (FYI this doesn't include cartridges only loose powder.)


I bought my Garand for around 2k. The ammo is not cheap either compared to buying mosin/k98 ammo. Also found more photos!
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You really might want to look up getting into the CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program) friend.

My M1 was brand new all original for $750
and $200 for a whole can of Korean War ammo.

[Legion]

I bought my Garand for around 2k. The ammo is not cheap either compared to buying mosin/k98 ammo. Also found more photos!
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Do you handload? It doesn't save you much money but it's a great hobby to get into plus it helps when you can't find ammo

[Cube210]

Do you handload? It doesn't save you much money but it's a great hobby to get into plus it helps when you can't find ammo

Oh snap do we have a hand loader here?

If you load .30-30 try a 110 grn round meant for a M1 Carbine. It is a fantastic plinking round.

[Legion]

Oh snap do we have a hand loader here?

If you load .30-30 try a 110 grn round meant for a M1 Carbine. It is a fantastic plinking round.

Unfortunately no, I've been wanting to get into hand loading for over a year but I don't have the money just yet. As soon as I get the funds I'm gonna start

[Johnnyboy]

I'm really tempted to move to the US because i like my guns and the Australian Government removed our guns since what that pyscho did at Port Arthur. But still, https://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/weapons/categories/categories.htm here's a link to the Queensland weapons Categories

[Legion]

I'm really tempted to move to the US because i like my guns and the Australian Government removed our guns since what that pyscho did at Port Arthur. But still, https://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/weapons/categories/categories.htm here's a link to the Queensland weapons Categories

Your more than welcome, just don't mve to states like California or some northern states, move to deep southern states or to Alaska, those are the most gun friendly states.

[rebeldestroyer]

yep I live in CA it's horrible

[Cube210]

Yeah if you wanna start hand loading be sure to buy quality tooling.

As an expert rifleman and having done formal education for gunsmithing a lot of laws, categorizations and such are very silly.

For example.
Many northern states make it hard or impossible to hunt with a rifle. They mandate shutguns with slugs only.
So folks build up a slug gun, with a rifled and catilevered slug barrel, with a scope, and finally a high end slug that is essentially a giant bullet.

Tell me how this is not just a .72 Caliber rifle?

And then many of these states want to ban anything that's over .50 caliber because it is a destructive device..........


I wish all over the world that the only people who made technical restrictions / policies actual had firearms knowledge rather than ignorant assumptions.

[Legion]

Yeah I'm not too fond of the north except for D.C. and Boston because of all the museum's and historic sites. I'm thankful that I live in a very gun friendly state.
Also, rebeldestroyer, you should move, unless of course you like it there, California is one of the worst places to be a gun lover.

[chamberlain]

when i got my gear for reenacting i went to c&c sutlery and then regimental quartermaster here are the links http://www.regtqm.com/ http://www.ccsutlery.com/store/ccsutlery.html

[Cube210]

when i got my gear for reenacting i went to c&c sutlery and then regimental quartermaster here are the links http://www.regtqm.com/ http://www.ccsutlery.com/store/ccsutlery.html
I admire their integrity to avoid India guns.

[ThePatriot98]

I see the long-term discussion of whether India guns are better than Italian, or there suck is continuing on here as well :D

[Cube210]

I see the long-term discussion of whether India guns are better than Italian, or there suck is continuing on here as well :D
Not really a discussion.

Other than for reenactors non-guns turned into meh-guns are inferior to guns made to be working guns.
All are inferior to originals.

[ThePatriot98]

Veteran Arms has no thing such as non-guns turned into real-guns, they are selling guns. I think you mistook it as Military Heritage, they are the ones that selling them as non-guns.

[JaegerCoyote]

I now have a K31.

[RemoveKebab]

I currently own a Beretta Silver Pigeon I, Sig Sauer 522 Target .22 LR and an unidentified .17 HMR rifle.
I'm currently working towards getting a handgun permit, as in Northern Ireland we have the option to do that unlike in the rest of the UK.

[Hatchmo]

For home defense a Taurus 9mm.

For reenactment and fun, a repro 1853 .58 Enfield Rifled Musket. Yes I make my own minie balls and I do actually shoot it. It is quite accurate.

[Mi'kmaq]

Just got a M1897 :D

[Colonel P. R. Page]

I own a 12 Gage and a old breech loading shotgun.

I have no idea how old it is exactly but it possibly dates to the early 1900's.

I want one of these. :)


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/PPSh-41_from_soviet.jpg


Here's my dream guns.

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0276/1899/products/stg44_for_website.jpg?v=1415227690

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/7482/8787105_2.jpg?v=8CC7EC126C8A970

http://www.coltautos.com/images/1911_Navy_109967i.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Mosin_nagant_m9130_from_cia.jpeg

http://www.paratrooper.be/wp-content/uploads/DSC_7090-1024x680.jpg

https://assets.americanrifleman.org/media/2477873/garands1.jpg

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/GetDynamicImage.aspx?dir=itemImages&path=SVimg-AOM130.jpg&w=652&h=556

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Parabellum_1586.png

[Henry B. Chamberlin]

Live in Britain. Get arrested for butter knives. Jealousy intensifies.

[1SGT Shannon]

Personally:
AR-15 all Mil-Spec components including barrel made from same steel used in the M240 and M249
Glock G22 .40 cal
Antique 20 ga. break action shotgun
1851 Colt revolver reproduction
In the immediate family:
.22 cal bolt action rifle
8 shot .22 revolver
(2) .38/.357 revolvers
Taurus PT-140 .40 cal pistol
16 gauge bolt action shotgun
12 gauge break action shotgun
Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun
Previously:
1853 Enfield reproduction
1858 Remington Army revolver
Winchester 30-30 lever action rifle

[General. Jackson]

Australian's aren't allowed guns :(
kind of a good thing after hearing about that massacre nightclub shooting...

Although I do wish to eventually purchase an antique WW2 Luger for display purposes, I'll get a glass box like it's a jewel and put it in the center of my mancave :P

GF wont like it...

[Johnnyboy]

Australian's aren't allowed guns :(
kind of a good thing after hearing about that massacre nightclub shooting...

Although I do wish to eventually purchase an antique WW2 Luger for display purposes, I'll get a glass box like it's a jewel and put it in the center of my mancave :P

GF wont like it...

We are allowed guns, you twat. Just go for a safety course. Buy a safe and then go for your firearms license
Links - https://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/weapons/categories/categories.htm
that is the category of weapons you will be able to get. You want a Luger and that requirement is Category H. You will also be needing to be in a Australian Pistol Club and do yearly or weekly competitive shootings. Or if you don't want to go through the hassel, buy a deactivated Luger or a replica one; buying one of those you do NOT need a license for.

[Legion]

Australian's aren't allowed guns :(
kind of a good thing after hearing about that massacre nightclub shooting...

Had nothing to do with our ability to own guns, he would have done it anyways in some other way. It was a terrorist attack not some random shooting.
I don't mean to gripe, just tired of everyone thinking its's because we can own guns that these attacks happen.

[General. Jackson]

We are allowed guns, you twat. Just go for a safety course. Buy a safe and then go for your firearms license
Links - https://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/weapons/categories/categories.htm
that is the category of weapons you will be able to get. You want a Luger and that requirement is Category H. You will also be needing to be in a Australian Pistol Club and do yearly or weekly competitive shootings. Or if you don't want to go through the hassel, buy a deactivated Luger or a replica one; buying one of those you do NOT need a license for.

Yeah you dumb fuck not very familiar with US laws but them cunts can just go buy one after a month or something shitbeak. We also are restricted to certain types of guns, I apologize for saying that we aren't allowed guns but we cannot use them for protection purposes unless a security guard or such.
I'd like to purchase an antique in it's own shape and form without modifications, if that's even possible??

You being from Australia also just a heads up to the yanks, this is how we generally talk. The insults & name calling are friendly and not meant to harm.


Had nothing to do with our ability to own guns, he would have done it anyways in some other way. It was a terrorist attack not some random shooting.
I don't mean to gripe, just tired of everyone thinking its's because we can own guns that these attacks happen.

No I agree with you like look at the Sydney Siege in Australia. The crazy bastard got a sawn of shotgun somehow. Now to argue from another perspective is that it possibly could of been harder for him to get the firearm if America's gun laws were stricter as I heard that in Florida or something where he purchased the Pistol and Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle that can be modded into an automatic rifle which he did, they don't even have to do a background check on the person who was placed on the FBI watch list for the links to a suicide bomber in Syria. He then called and said he was linked with ISIS and also the boston bombings. I'm only looking at it from both perspectives

[Legion]

No I agree with you like look at the Sydney Siege in Australia. The crazy bastard got a sawn of shotgun somehow. Now to argue from another perspective is that it possibly could of been harder for him to get the firearm if America's gun laws were stricter as I heard that in Florida or something where he purchased the Pistol and Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle that can be modded into an automatic rifle which he did, they don't even have to do a background check on the person who was placed on the FBI watch list for the links to a suicide bomber in Syria. He then called and said he was linked with ISIS and also the boston bombings. I'm only looking at it from both perspectives

Every single time you buy a gun in America you are required to have a background check, the only way he could have gotten that gun without a background check is if he bought it from a private citizen or if someone else bought it for him.

The thing that bothers me is that this will turn into an attack on gun rights instead of attacking the people responsible.

[Polecat]

Yeah you dumb fuck not very familiar with US laws but them cunts can just go buy one after a month or something shitbeak. We also are restricted to certain types of guns, I apologize for saying that we aren't allowed guns but we cannot use them for protection purposes unless a security guard or such.
I'd like to purchase an antique in it's own shape and form without modifications, if that's even possible??

You being from Australia also just a heads up to the yanks, this is how we generally talk. The insults & name calling are friendly and not meant to harm.

After a month? lolwut

You can purchase a gun in a day and most states don't require you to have a license. If you want to purchase a gun from a store, the store will run a background check on you ( through the FBI ==> https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics ) to make sure you can legally purchase a firearm. After all the paperwork and such, you can leave with your purchase.



No I agree with you like look at the Sydney Siege in Australia. The crazy bastard got a sawn of shotgun somehow. Now to argue from another perspective is that it possibly could of been harder for him to get the firearm if America's gun laws were stricter as I heard that in Florida or something where he purchased the Pistol and Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle that can be modded into an automatic rifle which he did, they don't even have to do a background check on the person who was placed on the FBI watch list for the links to a suicide bomber in Syria. He then called and said he was linked with ISIS and also the boston bombings. I'm only looking at it from both perspectives

Most gun related crimes are committed with illegally acquired firearms. Monis, the shitbag that killed all those innocents in Sydney, used an illegally aquired shotgun. Monis was unable to even acquire a firearms license.

Mateen acquired both of his guns legally. He worked as a security guard for some British company in Florida. He was on the FBI's terror watchlist and was investigated twice by the FBI. The FBI, for whatever fucking reason, removed him from the watchlist and decided that the guy wasn't a potential threat. Keep in mind this bastard had confirmed extremist views and even had connections to a terrorist who died in a suicide bombing in Syria. Because they removed him from that watchlist, he was able to legally purchase the SIG SG 516 and Glock 17 used in the massacre.

If the FBI today would hunt down terrorists like they hunted down Communists years ago, this shit wouldn't happen. And maybe if they stopped putting milita members on the terror watchlist alongside shitheads who have potential or confirmed ties to ISIS, they would stop more attacks.

Also, this attack could have been prevented and dozens of lives could have been saved if a few law abiding citizens were armed in the club. Gun laws make it harder for law abiding citizens to acquire firearms to protect themselves from filthy savages like Omar Mateen.

[Sir Doctor Professor]

After a month? lolwut

You can purchase a gun in a day and most states don't require you to have a license. If you want to purchase a gun from a store, the store will run a background check on you ( through the FBI ==> https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics ) to make sure you can legally purchase a firearm. After all the paperwork and such, you can leave with your purchase.



Most gun related crimes are committed with illegally acquired firearms. Monis, the shitbag that killed all those innocents in Sydney, used an illegally aquired shotgun. Monis was unable to even acquire a firearms license.

Mateen acquired both of his guns legally. He worked as a security guard for some British company in Florida. He was on the FBI's terror watchlist and was investigated twice by the FBI. The FBI, for whatever fucking reason, removed him from the watchlist and decided that the guy wasn't a potential threat. Keep in mind this bastard had confirmed extremist views and even had connections to a terrorist who died in a suicide bombing in Syria. Because they removed him from that watchlist, he was able to legally purchase the SIG SG 516 and Glock 17 used in the massacre.

If the FBI today would hunt down terrorists like they hunted down Communists years ago, this shit wouldn't happen. And maybe if they stopped putting milita members on the terror watchlist alongside shitheads who have potential or confirmed ties to ISIS, they would stop more attacks.

Also, this attack could have been prevented and dozens of lives could have been saved if a few law abiding citizens were armed in the club. Gun laws make it harder for law abiding citizens to acquire firearms to protect themselves from filthy savages like Omar Mateen.

+1 Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

[General. Jackson]

I'm more coming from a perspective of what people can access to kill people. Assault rifles just make it easier...

[Polecat]

I'm more coming from a perspective of what people can access to kill people. Assault rifles just make it easier...

You don't need a gun to kill folks. A lot of terrorists have used fertilizer and pressure cookers to make bombs. Should we ban fertilizer and pressure cookers? Should knives and axes be banned as well? How about nail guns and hammers? You could also set fire to a building and kill a lot of people. Should we ban fire? I could ram a truck into a crowd on the sidewalk. Should we ban vehicles?

[Brooklyn]

I have a 22.

[Legion]

I'm more coming from a perspective of what people can access to kill people. Assault rifles just make it easier...

False, my dad always taught me that pistols are much more dangerous than rifles in a way. And I tend to agree, pistols can be concealed, rifles can't. Most gun crimes are committed with a pistol.
I disagree with banning guns of any kind.

[Bravescot]

http://www.shootingtracker.com/ I'm just going to let this speak for itself

[Polecat]

http://www.shootingtracker.com/ I'm just going to let this speak for itself

What is your definition of a mass shooting?

Might I remind you that as of now only around 6,000 Americans have been murdered with a firearm this year. We're a nation nation of roughly 320 million. 6,000 is like 0.001875% of our population. As a matter of fact, you're more likely to be killed in a wreck than be killed by a man with a gun.

[Bravescot]

What is your definition of a mass shooting?

Did I mention the word mass shooting? I consider that more a list of general shootings, I think it's going tad bit far by calling itself a mass shooting list.

Frankly I'll settle for the FBI definition though which is claims is "FOUR or more shot and/or killed in a single event [incident], at the same general time and location, not including the shooter."

[Polecat]

Did I mention the word mass shooting? I consider that more a list of general shootings, I think it's going tad bit far by calling itself a mass shooting list.

If you didn't mean mass shootings, why give a site that supposedly lists mass shootings?

[JRob]

False, my dad always taught me that pistols are much more dangerous than rifles in a way. And I tend to agree, pistols can be concealed, rifles can't. Most gun crimes are committed with a pistol.
I disagree with banning guns of any kind.
I plead the 2nd. well said. I agree

[JRob]

Look at Chicago. Really strict gun laws. But look at their crime.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Gun control will not stop mass shootings.

[Bravescot]

Look at Chicago. Really strict gun laws. But look at their crime.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Gun control will not stop mass shootings.

No it won't stop them, it never will. What it will do is drastically reduce the odd of another occurring on what is becoming far too regular a basis.

[JRob]

you have to realize people get weapons when aliens cross the border. and imported illegally from different countries. If we have gun control, how will we be protected in those situations when there is a gunman and families are at gunpoint? We need conceal carrying in order to stop that. Being able to protect your loved ones is important if these situations rang out.

[Bravescot]

you have to realize people get weapons when aliens cross the border. and imported illegally from different countries. If we have gun control, how will we be protected in those situations when there is a gunman and families are at gunpoint? We need conceal carrying in order to stop that. Being able to protect your loved ones is important if these situations rang out.

I just chocked on my tea a little from laughing at this.

[JRob]

That's great.

[Sir Doctor Professor]

No it won't stop them, it never will. What it will do is drastically reduce the odd of another occurring on what is becoming far too regular a basis.

No, we just need the next generation in law enforcement: Precrime. xD


https://youtu.be/2bvFr2ANNkM

[Polecat]

No it won't stop them, it never will. What it will do is drastically reduce the odd of another occurring on what is becoming far too regular a basis.

Doesn't his last statement refute what you just said? Chicago has extremely strict gun laws and yet is the murder capital of the United States.

[Polecat]

I just chocked on my tea a little from laughing at this.

He's not incorrect. Might want to jump off your high horse.

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/2000-illegal-weapons-cross-us-mexico-border-every-day

[Soulfly]

http://www.shootingtracker.com/ I'm just going to let this speak for itself

please allow me to add this 3474

[Polecat]

please allow me to add this 3474

Are you.....? Jesus Christ, the lack of logic.

There are still terrorist attacks with knives and bombs and so forth. You think banning something is going to change that? You think the terrorist gives a shit if knives are banned on a plane? You think a murderer cares if the place he's shooting innocents at is a gun free zone?

[JRob]

Are you.....? Jesus Christ, the lack of logic.

There are still terrorist attacks with knives and bombs and so forth. You think banning something is going to change that? You think the terrorist gives a shit if knives are banned on a plane? You think a murderer cares if the place he's shooting innocents at is a gun free zone?
Can I get an Amen?

[Polecat]

Can I get an Amen?

No one is home atm and I broke into song lolol

"Can I get a hallelujah, can I get an amen?"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd-V0LuQ0v4

[JRob]

oh yeah

[Legion]

I'm not saying this to be rude but I don't care what Europeans think when it comes to guns and how they should be handled. The reason I say this is because Europeans don't have the same ideology or culture as Americans do, so of course your view is going to be different from mine.
I'm not saying your opinion is invalid but unless you live in the States you don't really have a say in how things should be.
I like my guns and I wan't to keep them, I don't care if you think it's wrong.

[Polecat]

I'm not saying this to be rude but I don't care what Europeans think when it comes to guns and how they should be handled. The reason I say this is because Europeans don't have the same ideology or culture as Americans do, so of course your view is going to be different from mine.
I'm not saying your opinion is invalid but unless you live in the States you don't really have a say in how things should be.
I like my guns and I wan't to keep them, I don't care if you think it's wrong.

Amen, brother, amen.

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[JRob]

Amen, brother, amen.

https://media.giphy.com/media/doUu2ByZDbPYQ/giphy.gif
https://www.facebook.com/NewJerseyGirls/videos/10154138156865132/
look at this haha tell me you need gun control now!

[Polecat]

https://www.facebook.com/NewJerseyGirls/videos/10154138156865132/
look at this haha tell me you need gun control now!

Awesome video! :D If that was me, I'd be running out with my beloved Trench Gun.

[JRob]

I'm not saying this to be rude but I don't care what Europeans think when it comes to guns and how they should be handled. The reason I say this is because Europeans don't have the same ideology or culture as Americans do, so of course your view is going to be different from mine.
I'm not saying your opinion is invalid but unless you live in the States you don't really have a say in how things should be.
I like my guns and I wan't to keep them, I don't care if you think it's wrong.
well said.

[Soulfly]

I'm not saying this to be rude but I don't care what Europeans think when it comes to guns and how they should be handled. The reason I say this is because Europeans don't have the same ideology or culture as Americans do, so of course your view is going to be different from mine.
I'm not saying your opinion is invalid but unless you live in the States you don't really have a say in how things should be.
I like my guns and I wan't to keep them, I don't care if you think it's wrong.

fine keep your guns, but i hope that there will never be a day when the police shows up your house saying your child has been shot...maybe then your mind changes....until then enjoy this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

[Polecat]

fine keep your guns, but i hope that there will never be a day when the police shows up your house saying your child has been shot...maybe then your mind changes....until then enjoy this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

Ok, bud, thats stepping over the line. Go fuck yourself.

[Legion]

fine keep your guns, but i hope that there will never be a day when the police shows up your house saying your child has been shot...maybe then your mind changes....until then enjoy this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

It won't change. I've had family members who have been murdered with firearms and still my opinion is the same.

[JRob]

fine keep your guns, but i hope that there will never be a day when the police shows up your house saying your child has been shot...maybe then your mind changes....until then enjoy this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
That was really a bad example to advance your argument.

[Soulfly]

Ok, bud, thats stepping over the line. Go fuck yourself.

charming, all i wanted to say is that people react somewhat different when they are personally affected.

[Polecat]

It won't change. I've had family members who have been murdered with firearms and still my opinion is the same.

Same here.

[Bravescot]

Ok, bud, thats stepping over the line. Go fuck yourself.

Enjoy your infraction.

[JRob]

Same here.
You have a third victim, right here. Happened in my family, too. Opinion changed? no.

[yoyo8346]

Don't worry Soulfly, let the Americans have their guns. It's their problem, and they will continue to have massacres of 5 year-olds until something is done about it. :(

[Willie Fisterbottom]

Muh militia armed with ar15s will surely be able to stop the tyranical police state, you know the country thats spends as much on military as China Russia Germany Italy and the UK combined. Just sayin ;)

[Polecat]

Don't worry Soulfly, let the Americans have their guns. It's their problem, and they will continue to have massacres of 5 year-olds until something is done about it. :(

And you can enjoy your lack of rights in your quasi-Communist welfare state.

Just gonna leave this here.

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/gun-rights-indian-native-american-trusting-government.jpg

[JaegerCoyote]

Seriously, This thread has gone to this.

[Colonel P. R. Page]

Friends, friends, friends!

Please stop bickering among yourselves!

Can we please be civil??

[ThePatriot98]

This thread was made for pro-guns, not enthusiastic gun control people. Make your own topic if you would like to debate our country's gun laws. I am coming from Europe where very few people can own guns, with extremely strict licenses. Know why? Government does not want it's people to be armed. What kind of a slave would you be if you had a gun? I have lot of examples why the government in Europe would not want it's people to be armed. 1956 Hungarian Revolution. Did the civilians owned guns? Nah, very few that were hunters, I say VERY FEW. They had to steal the communist guns from the soldiers in order to arm themselves, of course a part of the actual Army that stayed true to Hungary gave the people arms as well. Do you know how the outcome would have changed if every people would have been armed at least 1 gun per family? I am not saying the battle/revolution would have been won, since the USSR would have marched all of its force there then to put it down, which at the beginning they thought they'll just leave Hungary but they thought again and just moved their army to put down the rebellion against Communism. And this is just, just a very few example. Let's see, Battle of Alamo, the battle that many people outside the US of A know about I believe. Almost every Texans were armed to the teeth. Do you know what would have happened without it? Massacre. Probably Texas would not belong to the US now then, maybe. Guess why Japan didn't invade the continental US lands, knowing that our people are armed to the teeth. I love my country,and respect it that even our founding fathers knew that to be FREE we have to be armed, not actually to be armed, but to have the FREEDOM of will to do so legally. I have seen all of this European brainwashed agenda of no guns, full safety. Like I said, want to discuss things like this, go ahead make another thread, let's stick to some badass guns here that we own, shall we?

[dmurray6]

+1 Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

hehe, yes, I've never seen a gun pick itself up and pull its own trigger.

oh, and I do own a partial build of an ar-15. It's not yet complete. Why did I want it, you might ask? Because my state was instituting a ban on semi-automatic assault rifles. Let's combine this with the discussion of what defines a "mass shooting". So if a mass shooting is that which involves 4 or more victims, the logical choice is to ban "high capacity, semi-automatic assault rifles". :-/ hmmm really? So, how many hand guns are we all aware of that hold 4 or more rounds of ammunition? Hmmmm. Seems like the "gun controllers" don't know what the fuck they want to ban or why. My elementary math class taught me that 6 rounds is greater than 4, or 15 rounds is greater than 4. So, mass shootings can occur with hand guns, doesn't really seem to even coincide with the size of your magazine, because the smallest of magazines still hold more than 4 rounds.

Btw, I'm a government employee with a security clearance, I still want a firearm.

[Sir Doctor Professor]

Enjoy your infraction.

In other words:

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http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/e/ed/Chickenfucker14.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110125031437

[thomas aagaard]

I am coming from Europe where very few people can own guns, with extremely strict licenses.
You really should not generelise like that. The laws in the different European countries are not the same.

Also you and many others seem to forget the part about a regulated militia in the 2nd amendment...

The swiss are properly the most democratic country in the world with very strong local governments.
So arguably the most "Free" people anywhere.

They require every male age 18-45 (or there about) to have a military rifle. And it is issued from the government.
There are requirement to training and participation in military drill each year. This makes sure that the population is armed and cable of fighting as an organized force.
The general US population is worthless as a regular military force. Unlike the swiss.

So having rules and regulations for firearms is really not stopping anyone from having freedom.

And back when the Constitution was written, it was normal for the state laws to require all males to belong to the local militia.
So it make perfect sense for this right... when it was written.
What is much less logical is the lack requirement of militia membership and regulations for the militia.

In the end it is a question of having an army made up of well educated soldiers who come from the whole of your society.
That are loyal to the people... So they know when to say no to the politicians... if needed.
And the swiss made sure of that, but having the "people" being the army.

If you don't trust your army to be loyal to the people, there is something wrong with your army.
(like you ar recruiting from a much to small part of the population or even from none citizens)


That said, different European countries and the US have very different histories and different societies.
When you live in a place with a very low crime rate and low poverty there is simply no reason to own guns for protection.
Owning them if you do shooting as a sport or for hunting make sense and that is legal where I live.
If you want to be able to help defend the country then you can join the "regulated militia" (Home guard) and they will issue with your "M16"

I spend some years in the army and like shooting guns. But I simply don't think there is any good reason for the average citizen to own a AR15.
A pistol for sports shooting or a hunting rifle, sure. but not a military grad rifle... (Unless you are part of the regulated militia)

This is really no different than having laws for how fast you can drive in a car. Your "right" is less important than the health of the people around you.


Iam no more or less brainwashed than you are. It is a question of culture and how you organize your country...

Here shooting as a sport is organized in shooting clubs just like soccer or any other sport. This way we are sure that when a person buy a pistol he is not mad or on a police watch list for being a ISIS supporter... and he knows how to use it in a safe manner.

This makes sense in our culture and allowing everyone to own AR15 and carry pistols in public would not make much sense.


In the US owning guns and shooting is part of the culture in many areas. And changing this would similar not make much sense.
Similar there are areas where carrying a gun for protection do make sense. And I can understand why some like to do so.


But in the end it come down to different societies.
What makes sense in one place don't in another.

---
Now to get back to the original topic.

I currently only own an original Enfield M/1853. (from 1859). But Iam very interested in getting my hands on a "french cal 58 rifle"
(The french rifle musket that was used by the 15th Wisconsin for much of the war... since it was also used by the danish army it should not be that hard to find... just don't have the money atm.)

[Polecat]

I own a Winchester Model 1897 made around 1903, if I recall.

[dmurray6]

You really should not generelise like that. The laws in the different European countries are not the same.

Now to get back to the original topic.

I currently only own an original Enfield M/1853. (from 1859). But Iam very interested in getting my hands on a "french cal 58 rifle"
(The french rifle musket that was used by the 15th Wisconsin for much of the war... since it was also used by the danish army it should not be that hard to find... just don't have the money atm.)

The following is meant with the most sincerity, I'm not being sarcastic, I truly want to know your opinion. Because I think there are circumstances that counter what your previous post included.

I didn't want to include your entire quote so I cut most of it out. I am curious, based on your explanation, what situations justify personally owning a weapon? I frankly don't see where the difference is whether a person chooses to own a hand gun with a few 15 rounds magazines, or a "military grade" semi-automatic rifle (AR-15) with a few 15 round magazines? I mean, if we're talking sheer capabilities, especially indoors. There is absolutely no difference (rate of fire wise, I realize there is a caliber difference) between those two weapons except for the fact that indoors, where these nut cases like the Florida shooter decided to use it, was probably more efficient with a hand gun. Other than the fact that I'm hearing he modified his semi auto rifle to be a full auto rifle, but I've not seen a confirmed report of that. What I heard on the eye-witness cell phone footage was shooting that came from a semi-auto weapon, not full auto.

Either way, my point in responding is wondering when, in your eyes, does or should an individual consider owning a weapon for protection. And lets be clear, a weapon for protection is different for all people.

Let me give you my example before you comment.

First, these situations today, do not warrant themselves to be situations where local militia and/or national guard units have the ability to prepare or even pre-engage the assaulting person/party. By that point, there are already victims, on the mass scale.

Ok so, with that, today on the news I see that a Kosovo citizen pleaded guilty to hacking U.S. Government systems and compromising Military and Federal Employee personnel information, and then having ties to ISIS, and providing them with that information. If I'm a government employee, travelling everyday to and from a facility, or knowing that ISIS might have my information, at what point do I reserve the right to feel personally threatened? At that moment when my head is exploding from a piece of lead? Or would you at least feel like you deserve the right to fight back if shot at? Let's not forget, there have been various successful violent acts conducted outside of government facilities.

I'll be the first one to tell you, I feel like the U.S. is only in for more attacks like we just saw in Florida. If there is ANY chance that Trump can win the Presidency, and thus, any chance our country starts responding harsher on Terrorism (it's not hard to respond harder than what Obama has), I feel like the terrorist are seeing that potential in the news. And so I think that they're going to try to start getting their little lone wolf attacks (if not something bigger) in before the November Presidential election. Before Trump has a chance to implement any stronger counter measures. If Hillary wins, we can just count on more of the government ignoring the security of the citizens like it currently does under Obama.

[Soulfly]

Don't worry Soulfly, let the Americans have their guns. It's their problem, and they will continue to have massacres of 5 year-olds until something is done about it. :(

will do mate. I am just a little but puzzled getting insulted here, after spending around 3 years on this forum...it used to be a great community

[Legion]

will do mate. I am just a little but puzzled getting insulted here, after spending around 3 years on this forum...it used to be a great community

It still is a great community, but when you get on a hot button topic like this and start messing with Americans and our love for guns then you should expect some hostility, we view thing differently than Europeans.

And if I insulted you in any way, I do apologize. I try to be friendly and I understand we are not going to see eye to eye due to our cultural differences.

[Soulfly]

It still is a great community, but when you get on a hot button topic like this and start messing with Americans and our love for guns then you should expect some hostility, we view thing differently than Europeans.

i strongly disagree with you regarding that i have to "expect some hostility" just because i see some things different, i am used to discussions which are based on arguments and mutual respect. But lets end this here, i dont think that this makes any further sense

[Legion]

i strongly disagree with you regarding that i have to "expect some hostility" just because i see some things different, i am used to discussions which are based on arguments and mutual respect. But lets end this here, i dont think that this makes any further sense

I just mean that you shouldn't expect everyone to be nice and friendly.

[Polecat]

I apologize as well, as I'm aware my comments were unwarranted. But, I'm going to have to agree with Legion. When you criticize a nation's culture, you need to expect some hostility.

[thomas aagaard]

I have no issue with government personal carrying a firearm. IF there is a real need for it... But (loaded) firearms should only be carried in public by well trained "public agents" and the gun should be issued. (again hunting is another matter)

Currently the risk of you getting shot by accident is bigger than you getting shot by a ISIS terrorist.

I do have an issue with untrained civilians owning guns. That is why I prefer a system where you have to be an active member of a shooting club to be able to buy a gun.
I have an issue with mad people owning guns, that is why I do prefer a system where you need a licence.
And I have an issue with a guy who have been under FBI investigation for his ISIL support being able to buy guns. That is why I like a system where you need a licens.


Also you should really read a bit about the US drone program. Obama have ordered the killings of way more people than Bush ever did. He is no dove and neither is Clinton...
(Some was surly men who is better of dead... but I fear that by killing civilians as collateral damage Obama is currently making new enemies faster than he is killing them... and randomly dropping bombs on the middle east as Trump will do is not any better.)

As long as the west is killing civilians around the world we will only generate more enemies.


I am curious, when a US citizen who was born in the US do terrorism, who do you think should get bombed?
How about right wing terrorism? Like the attacks on abortion clinics? or attacks on the gay community.
Who should be bombed for that? Or left wing eco terrorism, when people attack companies they think harm the environment.


If the US was serious about bombing the people responsible you should start with D.C. and Saudi Arabia... But I guess SA got too much olie for that.

[Legion]

I disagree with you. I don't like the idea of having to have a reason or go through a list of requirements to exercise my rights. It's my right, I don't have a reason to exercise it, I just want to.
I also dislike the idea of only government officials being able to have or carry firearms, the constitution was made so that the citizens would have power and not the government.

And where did Obama come into this? Not many people in America like Obama, I personally think Bush was better.

[yoyo8346]

http://i.imgur.com/KwGll6A.png

[dmurray6]

*picture cut out to save space*

I don't disagree with that sentiment Yoyo, but a negative about that sentiment is that most the people that would really be worth listening to in support of a right to own firearms are the dead one's because they were victims. So the only people they have to tell their story and support their right is those that wish to own firearms now and are still alive to do so.

I have every faith that those in this forum that have shared their firearms collections are law abiding citizens. The bottom line is it takes the mentality of a killer to kill another human being. Be it with a gun, a knife, a bomb. Do guns make it easier, sure. Does an assault weapon make it any easier than a hand gun, maybe, but its negotiable, and likely minimal. See my previous example of a handgun with 15 round magazines versus a semi-automatic assault rifle with 15 round magazines, no change in rate of fire, in fact the hand gun is more efficient in a confined space.

Now, if I'm a fan of skeet shooting, or hunting, or recreational target shooting, and I own enough property to perform said acts on my own land, based on Thomas Aagaards post, why should I be required to be a law enforcement officer or a member of a club to be able to own the firearms that would allow me to take part in recreational shooting that I enjoy? I can't argue about the "license". I would agree with that. But if you're buying guns legally in the U.S. they should be registered. I know when I bought my AR-15 lower receiver, lower parts kit, and collapsible stock, that I had to show my certificate of firearms safety training and the shop registered the serial number of my lower receiver.

What if I'm a knife enthusiast? Would I be allowed to stand in my back yard and throw all sorts of knifes and axes and throwing stars at home made targets or trees? These same instruments could be used to kill someone. It's funny, they actually allow people to do this in public at such events as a renaissance festival.

The common denominator in tragic events is that it takes the mind of a killer to go through with something as vile as we've been seeing with mass shootings.

I've often mentioned to my wife as we walk through a department store like Kohls...."oh, I wonder when some lunatic is going to come into this store and grab a few of these kitchen knives off the back wall and go on a butchering spree around the store......so then we won't even be able to buy kitchen knives anymore....."

There are too many instruments in our world that can be used as a weapon to harm someone. I find it a bit hypocritical that firearms are the only one that comes under any scrutiny. It's easy to say that it's because they are the weapon of choice in killings, but its only because they're the easiest form of performing the act. If people think that guns going away will result in lower deaths, then you're giving the gun far too much credit and not the sick mind of the killer. To think that killers wouldn't have sought another weapon had a gun not been available is about as naive as it gets.

When are we going to ban people from using their hands as weapons? LOL

[General. Jackson]

Australian who had his weapon taken away after the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre, so I'm going to share some more of my views.

I didn't want my weapon taken away, it was mine. I was upset over it for a bit but not till a few years back did I look at the statistics after they were taken away:


Total gun homicide has tracked generally downwards since 1995, accelerating following the gun control and firearm buyback measures after 1996. Unfortunately a rise in criminal use of handguns (linked to serious and organised crime and criminal gang activity), fortunately dropping away after 2005-6, initially dwarfed the positive results of the 1996 reforms.

Alright so as you can see that yes the killings and use of guns in an act of violence against others (what they were pretty much made for) dropped dramatically following that awful day. Now these bastards found away to smuggle them in and use them, illegally but it still reduced the gun violence in Australia.

Now I don't mind them taking my weapon but the assault rifles are the only real issue if we are looking at taking them away due to massacres like the nutjob who went and shot up that school a few years back.
If you tell me you need to have this bloody thing to 'protect' your home:
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/deadliestfiction/images/e/e0/Assault_Rifle.png/revision/latest?cb=20110429230608
I 'ought to put my foot up your ass. My dad was a deployed soldier and if he came home with his assault rifle and wanted to tell me it was for protecting our house, I would of ran the fk out.

If we reduced the rates of creation of these type of firearms and make it harder to buy those, great first step to reducing mass killings. If we only reduced the creation and sell of these weapons it would make it harder. If we are talking about a general killing then pistols are the issue but I recognize that as 'defense' for you guys. I also recognize the type of world 'YOU' live in and what other countries and people in it, don't understand is that yours is 10 times dangerous. Not to mention the bloody cops runnin' around popping shots soon as they see a hair move.
So I'm on the fence with this I'm more worried about mass killings. I wouldn't want to be sending my kids to a school when there's possibility that an 8 year old could die like it's Iraq, Afghan etc which utterly removes why our soldiers are over there fighting for the good and better of us, that is my main issue. We have men and women dying for freedom and to keep their country safe but kids can't go to school without getting massacred by some dimzy fuck with an assault rifle...anyways long rant. Still on the fence with this.

[Polecat]

Australian who had his weapon taken away after the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre, so I'm going to share some more of my views.

I didn't want my weapon taken away, it was mine. I was upset over it for a bit but not till a few years back did I look at the statistics after they were taken away:

That's used by Liberals over here in America all the time. Murders and suicides didn't plummet in Australia, according to the data. There was already a steady decline in murders and suicides involving firearms. The 1996 gun buyback, according to data, has even had a negative effect. The number of armed robberies spiked (Pretty obvious why).

Also, whilst the Australian government was confiscating it's citizens guns, we were manufacturing double the amount of firearms and saw an indentical drop in gun related homicides.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LqAlgdtLW3s/Uh_aWj123JI/AAAAAAAAG9s/eLE6U3Z30iE/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-08-29+at++Thursday,+August+29,+7.32+PM.png

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[dmurray6]

Australian who had his weapon taken away after the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre, so I'm going to share some more of my views.

I don't disagree with much that you said. But to use your words, I'm also on the fence with trying to differentiate between a handgun and an assault rifle. The restrictions in our area make them the same exact weapon in terms of rate of fire, because they regulate "legal magazines" from "illegal magazines" based on size. 30 round, illegal, 15 round legal. To me, a 15 round mag in an AR-15 is no different as far as the damage you can do compared to a 15 round mag in a semi-auto handgun. So, if I'm to support your argument fully, it would have to be to get rid of the assault rifle and the handgun that all have the same firing capability. Let everyone buy all the old revolvers they want, but to reinforce what we saw in an earlier post as the definition of a "mass shooting", we're talking about > 4 victims. You can still achieve that with an old revolver. But realistically, you don't believe the Sandy Hook killer could have done what he did with semi-auto hand guns, that he was successful 100% because he had an assault rifle? That's flawed thinking.

Now, I'm not much for getting irate until it really has to be done, so I'm going to ask you to clarify whether that foot in the ass comment was meant for anyone in general who wants to "protect their house with an AR", or if that was meant for me.

Let's lighten the topic a little...... we're all here to shoot each other in a virtual Civil War game!!!! :)

[Legion]

The people who say we need a reason to own a firearm are wrong imo. I don't own a firearm for protection, I don't own one for hunting(even though I do hunt), I don't own them for sport shooting, I own them because I want to and it's my right as an American to do so.
The reason I want an Ar-15 is because I think they are cool and I just want to have one, also if they ever ban them it would be my Fu to the government;).

I also disagree with having to register your guns or get a license for them. The only thing I even partially agree with is the background check.

[dmurray6]

The people who say we need a reason to own a firearm are wrong imo. I don't own a firearm for protection, I don't own one for hunting(even though I do hunt), I don't own them for sport shooting, I own them because I want to and it's my right as an American to do so.
The reason I want an Ar-15 is because I think they are cool and I just want to have one, also if they ever ban them it would be my Fu to the government;).

I also disagree with having to register your guns or get a license for them. The only thing I even partially agree with is the background check.

I don't disagree with your opinion of not wanting to be required to register, but I'm just saying I don't care about registering. I don't care that anyone knows I own it. I don't have a problem with law enforcement knowing I own it. I don't mind them tracking me with it if they want. But I did somewhat what you suggested. My state was about to ban semi-automatic assault rifles, so I bought the lower receiver so I had one. What do Americans do when the government says you can't do or have something.....we got out and buy them. Just the way it is, like it or not. That doesn't make me a future killer. I'm so tired of people looking for shit to blame things on.

I was a child of the 70's, owned play guns, bb-guns, and every other military type toy I liked, GI Joe, etc. I'm not out trying to kill people. The children of the 70's that became parents in the 90's all went on that spree of "ohhh, i'm not letting my children play with toy guns...". Spoiler alert, they are probably the same ass-clowns that don't get there kids vaccinated. I played "war" growing up, shot imaginery enemy's as we sat in the trees. I'm not out sniping people, killing people, or even considering ending someones life.

KILLERS KILL, whether they have weapons or not. If you think removing guns will remove the desire to harm others, you are naive.
We argue over stupid shit like this, and people continue to drink and drive and kill innocent people. Check out those number comparisons. Death by automobile versus death by firearms. Anyone banning cars? Wait, but not the slow ones, lets just ban American muscle cars.

I'm done.

[Willie Fisterbottom]

The people who say we need a reason to own a firearm are wrong imo. I don't own a firearm for protection, I don't own one for hunting(even though I do hunt), I don't own them for sport shooting, I own them because I want to and it's my right as an American to do so.
The reason I want an Ar-15 is because I think they are cool and I just want to have one, also if they ever ban them it would be my Fu to the government;).

I also disagree with having to register your guns or get a license for them. The only thing I even partially agree with is the background check.

I'm sorry, but saying we should keep guns because they are cool and fun to shoot, thats like saying yea thousands of people get shot every year but its worth it for the rest of us to enjoy our cool toys. And anyone who says they need an assault rifle for home defense,first of all i think a handgun would do fine to scare away some burglar, you aren't about to get ganked by 10 dudes with baseball bats, secondly are you really gonna shoot someone over your TV, because i kinda value a human life a little bit more than my TV just saying.

[TrustyJam]

Please keep it on-topic please. :)

Below are my two treasures!

Enfield P53 made in 1855:
3495

Colt 1851 Navy made in 1858:
3496

- Trusty

[Sir Doctor Professor]

Please keep it on-topic please. :)

Below are my two treasures!

Enfield P53 made in 1855:
3495

Colt 1851 Navy made in 1858:
3496

- Trusty

Thanks for trying to get the thread back on topic. Those are some cool pieces by the way. I've always been a fan of the Colt Navy.

[Johnnyboy]

Australian who had his weapon taken away after the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre, so I'm going to share some more of my views.

I didn't want my weapon taken away, it was mine. I was upset over it for a bit but not till a few years back did I look at the statistics after they were taken away:



Alright so as you can see that yes the killings and use of guns in an act of violence against others (what they were pretty much made for) dropped dramatically following that awful day. Now these bastards found away to smuggle them in and use them, illegally but it still reduced the gun violence in Australia.

Now I don't mind them taking my weapon but the assault rifles are the only real issue if we are looking at taking them away due to massacres like the nutjob who went and shot up that school a few years back.
If you tell me you need to have this bloody thing to 'protect' your home:
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/deadliestfiction/images/e/e0/Assault_Rifle.png/revision/latest?cb=20110429230608
I 'ought to put my foot up your ass. My dad was a deployed soldier and if he came home with his assault rifle and wanted to tell me it was for protecting our house, I would of ran the fk out.

If we reduced the rates of creation of these type of firearms and make it harder to buy those, great first step to reducing mass killings. If we only reduced the creation and sell of these weapons it would make it harder. If we are talking about a general killing then pistols are the issue but I recognize that as 'defense' for you guys. I also recognize the type of world 'YOU' live in and what other countries and people in it, don't understand is that yours is 10 times dangerous. Not to mention the bloody cops runnin' around popping shots soon as they see a hair move.
So I'm on the fence with this I'm more worried about mass killings. I wouldn't want to be sending my kids to a school when there's possibility that an 8 year old could die like it's Iraq, Afghan etc which utterly removes why our soldiers are over there fighting for the good and better of us, that is my main issue. We have men and women dying for freedom and to keep their country safe but kids can't go to school without getting massacred by some dimzy fuck with an assault rifle...anyways long rant. Still on the fence with this.

Funny thing is Jackson, that the gun laws have failed in decreasing the amount of guns in Australia; in fact there is MORE GUNS in Australia NOW than before the Port Arthur Massacre. And in 2015 alone, Australia had 300,000 guns imported into the country.

But besides that, I'll be looking for a Kar 98k, Gewehr 98 and a Springfield once I get enough money.

[Bravescot]

Please keep it on-topic please. :)

Below are my two treasures!

Enfield P53 made in 1855:
3495

Colt 1851 Navy made in 1858:
3496

- Trusty

Show off xD

[General. Jackson]

I don't disagree with much that you said. But to use your words, I'm also on the fence with trying to differentiate between a handgun and an assault rifle. The restrictions in our area make them the same exact weapon in terms of rate of fire, because they regulate "legal magazines" from "illegal magazines" based on size. 30 round, illegal, 15 round legal. To me, a 15 round mag in an AR-15 is no different as far as the damage you can do compared to a 15 round mag in a semi-auto handgun. So, if I'm to support your argument fully, it would have to be to get rid of the assault rifle and the handgun that all have the same firing capability. Let everyone buy all the old revolvers they want, but to reinforce what we saw in an earlier post as the definition of a "mass shooting", we're talking about > 4 victims. You can still achieve that with an old revolver. But realistically, you don't believe the Sandy Hook killer could have done what he did with semi-auto hand guns, that he was successful 100% because he had an assault rifle? That's flawed thinking.

Now, I'm not much for getting irate until it really has to be done, so I'm going to ask you to clarify whether that foot in the ass comment was meant for anyone in general who wants to "protect their house with an AR", or if that was meant for me.

Let's lighten the topic a little...... we're all here to shoot each other in a virtual Civil War game!!!! :)
Everything you've also stated, I do to believe in haha. Thanks for broadening my view.

About the AR, I tried to exaggerate my point as if it was a persuasive essay to get my point across xD See how I exaggerated it was if an Australian going up against a fella with a crow bar while he has an assault rifle, I would find it unnecessary to have a firearm of that type which could be more risk of someone stealing than anything else. See for you blokes everyone owns a gun and it would be more necessary to have that. What I meant to say is that if you had one of these monsters living in your house:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/maxpayne/images/4/40/Rpg.png/revision/latest?cb=20120722225813

That would more warrant the foot up someones ass xD

@Legion
Having them because you believe they are cool is a reason, a justified one? Others can be the judge of that. I want a Luger because I think it's 'cool' but that's going into a display cabinet to more admire in a weird type of way...but I'm honestly not going to use it for self defence...I'll be using the weapon above me for that xD

Hm now see registering your guns would be needed, lots of crime would be committed otherwise like illegal guns now

@Trusty

Yes sir!


Funny thing is Jackson, that the gun laws have failed in decreasing the amount of guns in Australia; in fact there is MORE GUNS in Australia NOW than before the Port Arthur Massacre. And in 2015 alone, Australia had 300,000 guns imported into the country.

But besides that, I'll be looking for a Kar 98k, Gewehr 98 and a Springfield once I get enough money.

True but a little under 20 years of course more guns will be in the country, they more slowed down the production and advancement of them in Australia.

Nice man! I really like pistol antiques and such though so the collection I aim for:

Luger P08
Mauser C96
Walther P38
Webley Mk.VI (.455) & Mk.IV (.38/200)
Type 14 Nambu
M1911 pistol

I want them in a display box in my man cave xD

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQt_S-DeiBhJVufHCthB4vKmwYro23DHoLy3qZsc5dBdrowxU0

[Johnnyboy]

Everything you've also stated, I do to believe in haha. Thanks for broadening my view.

About the AR, I tried to exaggerate my point as if it was a persuasive essay to get my point across xD See how I exaggerated it was if an Australian going up against a fella with a crow bar while he has an assault rifle, I would find it unnecessary to have a firearm of that type which could be more risk of someone stealing than anything else. See for you blokes everyone owns a gun and it would be more necessary to have that. What I meant to say is that if you had one of these monsters living in your house:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/maxpayne/images/4/40/Rpg.png/revision/latest?cb=20120722225813

That would more warrant the foot up someones ass xD

@Legion
Having them because you believe they are cool is a reason, a justified one? Others can be the judge of that. I want a Luger because I think it's 'cool' but that's going into a display cabinet to more admire in a weird type of way...but I'm honestly not going to use it for self defence...I'll be using the weapon above me for that xD

Hm now see registering your guns would be needed, lots of crime would be committed otherwise like illegal guns now

@Trusty

Yes sir!



True but a little under 20 years of course more guns will be in the country, they more slowed down the production and advancement of them in Australia.

Nice man! I really like pistol antiques and such though so the collection I aim for:

Luger P08
Mauser C96
Walther P38
Webley Mk.VI (.455) & Mk.IV (.38/200)
Type 14 Nambu
M1911 pistol

I want them in a display box in my man cave xD

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQt_S-DeiBhJVufHCthB4vKmwYro23DHoLy3qZsc5dBdrowxU0

Be careful with the Nambu, I heard they can be pretty faulty. Self firing, might be a different Japanese Pistol. But yea be careful with any Japanese pistol.

[Legion]

@Legion
Having them because you believe they are cool is a reason, a justified one? Others can be the judge of that. I want a Luger because I think it's 'cool' but that's going into a display cabinet to more admire in a weird type of way...but I'm honestly not going to use it for self defence...I'll be using the weapon above me for that xD

Hm now see registering your guns would be needed, lots of crime would be committed otherwise like illegal guns now

Ok, but my point was I don't need a reason to justify owning one, can't I just own one because it's my right given to me by the second amendment?

I also fail to see how gun crime would be lessened by registering my firearms, I'm a law abiding citizen, registering my guns won't stop people from committing crimes with illegal guns. Gun registration is just a way for the government to keep track of law abiding citizens that have firearms.

Anyways, these are the weapons that I plan on getting once I have the money.

RIFLES:
m1 garand
m1a1 carbine
m1903a4
Martini Henry IV
Lee enfield mk III
Krag-Jorgensen
1886 Lebel
browning model 8
whitworth rifle
1895 winchester
m1841 Mississippi

HANDGUNS:
Smith & Wesson Schofield
1851 Colt Navy
Glock (don't know what version)
Colt 1918

Big Guns:
12lbs Confederate Napoleon

Extra:
Reloading bench and supplies so I can reload/make all the rare ammo.

[A. P. Hill]

... Anyways, these are the weapons that I plan on getting once I have the money.

RIFLES:
m1 garand
m1a1 carbine
m1903a4
Martini Henry IV
Lee enfield mk III
Krag-Jorgensen
1886 Lebel
browning model 8
whitworth rifle
1895 winchester
m1841 Mississippi

HANDGUNS:
Smith & Wesson Schofield
1851 Colt Navy
Glock (don't know what version)
Colt 1918

Big Guns:
12lbs Confederate Napoleon

Extra:
Reloading bench and supplies so I can reload/make all the rare ammo.

C'mon lottery winings!!!! ;)

[Polecat]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13466502_838190659658266_7122428323180665584_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=89f13338443c567a3497e2dbcce4e801&oe=57DC2F83

[LocJope]

Please keep it on-topic please. :)

Below are my two treasures!

Enfield P53 made in 1855:
3495

Colt 1851 Navy made in 1858:
3496

- Trusty

Words cannot describe how jealous I am.

Gimmie, now.

[Fisty Richards]

Please keep it on-topic please. :)

Below are my two treasures!

Enfield P53 made in 1855:
3495

Colt 1851 Navy made in 1858:
3496

- Trusty

Woooowww. That's a beautiful navy.

Both incredible artifacts, thanks for showing off. I'm super jelly

[TrustyJam]

Thanks!

Both are on display at the office. :)

3498

pew pew!

- Trusty

[BloodBeag]

i want a medieval Handgonne where you have to stuff soil and grass into the end of the barrel. it is the only sensible gun to own

[A. P. Hill]

Following up on this thought ...

... Anyways, these are the weapons that I plan on getting once I have the money. ...

I want:
A 3 inch ordnance rifle with limber and full tack
A 3 inch Parrott rifle with limber and full tack
A 12lb Napoleon 1857 with limber and full tack
A 12lb Whitworth with limber and full tack

I don't want much.




Oh! And the horses to pull them ... :)

[David Dire]

Following up on this thought ...


I want:

A 3 inch ordnance rifle with limber and full tack



A 3 inch Parrott rifle with limber and full tack



A 12lb Napoleon 1857 with limber and full tack



A 12lb Whitworth with limber and full tack


I don't want much.




Oh! And the horses to pull them ... :)

Personally I would buy some ramrods, but if you want to use your arms, that works too.

[Legion]

Following up on this thought ...


I want:
A 3 inch ordnance rifle with limber and full tack
A 3 inch Parrott rifle with limber and full tack
A 12lb Napoleon 1857 with limber and full tack
A 12lb Whitworth with limber and full tack

I don't want much.




Oh! And the horses to pull them ... :)

http://steencannons.com/cannons/

Got you covered for the most part.

[A. P. Hill]

http://steencannons.com/cannons/

Got you covered for the most part.

Trust me I am well aware of just about every cannon manufacturer in existence. :)


Personally I would buy some ramrods, but if you want to use your arms, that works too.

Those are covered under 'full tack' :)

[Legion]

Trust me I am well aware of just about every cannon manufacturer in existence. :)


steencannons is the only one I've found so far. They aren't that expensive considering that they are cannons

[Colonel P. R. Page]

Nice!

I want a Le Matt revolver.

[PGT Beauregard]

35073508

Don't know why they showed up upside down, dang it!

[ThePatriot98]

Nice!

I want a Le Matt revolver.

A guy from my reenactment unit has the Le Matt revolver reproduction made by an Italian company, I had the opportunity to touch it myself, and it is one beauty, and expensive. I think that gun starts from $1000 as reproduction.

[Legion]

Anybody else watch hickock45?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLPc0Jrt8M

[Bravescot]

Anybody else watch hickock45?

I love hickock45! Really enjoy his videos. He's a great example of a safe firearms user and is a treasure!

[Legion]

I love hickock45! Really enjoy his videos. He's a great example of a safe firearms user and is a treasure!

Definitely agree. I could only hope to own some of the firearms he has, of course he does borrow alot from gun shops etc.
If only everyone had a chance to go to a range and fire off a few rounds, I guarantee most people would fall in love with it.

[JaegerCoyote]

I planning to go to a local outdoor range to shoot my rifle at something not 75 ft away.

[Legion]

Just gonna ask this question here because I don't think it warrants a new thread.

What are the ranges in the alpha gun range? It looks to be less than 100 yds yet when I was watching a video the player had to use the 300yd sight in order to hit the farthest target, which is incorrect imo due to the range. You shouldn't have to flip up the sight at that close of a distance to hit a target.

[A. P. Hill]

... What are the ranges in the alpha gun range? ...

A while ago I brought up that question ... and at one time when I had access to the targets, I paced it off with my avatar. The closest ones are 22 1/2 yards from the rail, the next farther are 37 1/2 yards from the rail, and the farthest are 67 1/2 yards from the rail.

This is depending on if the pace of my avatar actually equals a real life step.

[Legion]

A while ago I brought up that question ... and at one time when I had access to the targets, I paced it off with my avatar. The closest ones are 22 1/2 yards from the rail, the next farther are 37 1/2 yards from the rail, and the farthest are 67 1/2 yards from the rail.

This is depending on if the pace of my avatar actually equals a real life step.

Then there is no reason for you to have to flip the sight up to hit the target. Something is off.

[A. P. Hill]

Pretty sure it was just a demonstration of how the sights might work ... wasn't actually saying you needed them at the range. :)

[Legion]

Pretty sure it was just a demonstration of how the sights might work ... wasn't actually saying you needed them at the range. :)

I know, but I was just saying that the player in the vid only hit the target after flipping his sights up (I think to 300yds). I'm just saying that's not how it should be, just wondering if the balistics or something could be off, It's an alpha after all.

[TrustyJam]

I know, but I was just saying that the player in the vid only hit the target after flipping his sights up (I think to 300yds). I'm just saying that's not how it should be, just wondering if the balistics or something could be off, It's an alpha after all.

You can easily hit all targets without flipping up your sights.

- Trusty

[Legion]

You can easily hit all targets without flipping up your sights.

- Trusty

Ok cool, I was just wondering because of what I saw in the vid, probably just the sway or him getting used to the aiming.

[Sir Doctor Professor]

Anybody else watch hickock45?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLPc0Jrt8M

The FAL is an incredible gun to my understanding. Didn't both sides use it in the Falklands War? Just one side used the semi-auto and the other the full-auto (almost like a battle of the firing variations, well except the British forces were better trained so I guess it wasn't perfectly balanced, but still)?

I will have to subscribe to hickock45's channel.

I used to watch a bit of FPS Russia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSNTAv8MTJY

[JaegerCoyote]

Yeah, the British used the L1A1 SLR and the Argentineans used the select fire FAL.

[Cube210]

I was trained and carried a M16A2.
Currently carry an M16A4.

The M16 series is just glorious.
Thought I'd share.

[Bravescot]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36598736

Interesting development

[thomas aagaard]

I was trained and carried a M16A2.
Currently carry an M16A4.

The M16 series is just glorious.
Thought I'd share.

In some ways I actually preferred the H&K G3 rifle I had as a conscript to the "Colt Canada C7 rifle" I used as a professionel.

The C7 is a superior firearm especially with the elcan sight, but the good old Germans quality combined with a 7.62 round... we could drag it true mud at it would still fire. The M16 series do require a lot more attention all the time... especially when you are as combat engineer and it is hard to avoid banging you rifle into hard things when working.

[Cube210]

In some ways I actually preferred the H&K G3 rifle I had as a conscript to the "Colt Canada C7 rifle" I used as a professionel.

The C7 is a superior firearm especially with the elcan sight, but the good old Germans quality combined with a 7.62 round... we could drag it true mud at it would still fire. The M16 series do require a lot more attention all the time... especially when you are as combat engineer and it is hard to avoid banging you rifle into hard things when working.

I still get folks who suggest the C7 is nothing like the M16 :P

Really a lot of the problems are caused by the user and misinformation. You do not have to run it wet, nor run it dry. Just put a few drops of oil where the bolt head and bolt body connect. ->LIGHT<- coat of oil elsewhere.
Folks drown their weapon then wonder why its fouled up with carbon.
Also shoving Q-tips down the gas key has been a no no from the army since Vietnam yet soldiers still do it and jam up.
The larger rear sight aperture is for 0-200 meter shooting hence the 0-2 engraved below it. "But my drill sergeant said..." NO! I' m the small arms expert. If the small aperture and elevation turret start at 300 Meters then what do you think the large 0-2 is for?
Such silliness :P

My M16A2/A4 has never jammed outside of bad ammo, shitty blanks, or bad magazine.

I like the G3 too :) Did you have the turret aperture rear sight?



Picture of my M1 because I can.
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[Fisty Richards]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36598736

Interesting development

I think that might belong here: ;)

http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?2148-Gun-Control

[Sir Doctor Professor]

I was trained and carried a M16A2.
Currently carry an M16A4.

Thank you for your service.


I think that might belong here: ;)

http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?2148-Gun-Control

+1


Seems you guys like to discuss gun control quite heavily so I'm giving you a thread to do it on.

If you're going to continue (or in this case promote media about political actions) bashing American constitutionalism from three and a half thousand miles across the Atlantic, please, at least keep it in your own thread. Don't hold yourself to a different standard than the rest of us.

[ThePatriot98]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36598736

Interesting development

Isn't that more of a Gun Control topic tbh? lol http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?2148-Gun-Control/page14

[Bravescot]

If you're going to continue (or in this case promote media about political actions) bashing American constitutionalism from three and a half thousand miles across the Atlantic, please, at least keep it in your own thread. Don't hold yourself to a different standard than the rest of us.

Yes I made a small error, how about instead of being an smart ass about it though you simply do was Fisty did and point out my accidental mistake. It's like you're begging to go into my bad books and I must say you're close.

[LocJope]

Yes I made a small error, how about instead of being an smart ass about it though you simply do was Fisty did and point out my accidental mistake. It's like you're begging to go into my bad books and I must say you're close.

I feel this is accurate, I also feel this will probably get me in your bad books.
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[Bravescot]

I feel this is accurate, I also feel this will probably get me in your bad books.
3546

I'd personally have it the other way around.

[michaelsmithern]

I'd personally have it the other way around.

3549

[Bravescot]

3549

Awwwwwh thank you :D

[TrustyJam]

Sorry, but I have to revive this thread. My darling was delivered today! :)

3815

Aint she puuurty?

And no, I am not spending company resources on this craze of mine - although I guess I could label it as.. research expenses! ;)

- Trusty

[FanaticDK]

Sorry, but I have to revive this thread. My darling was delivered today! :)

3815

Aint she puuurty?

And no, I am not spending company resources on this craze of mine - although I guess I could label it as.. research expenses! ;)

- TrustyWhen are you guys going to man up and come to "København skyttecenter" and shoot black powder with the rest of us!

Also I'm more than just a little jealous, I still don't have an original yet, but then again, I would feel bad abusing an original like I do to my replicas :)

[Legion]

Classic Firearms is giving away a Finnish M39 Tikka Mosin Nagant, follow this link and enter for a chance to win. https://wn.nr/VdPEVU

Just thought I'd post this for anyone who is interested and because it helps my chances of winning;)

[PGT Beauregard]

Sorry, but I have to revive this thread. My darling was delivered today! :)

3815

Aint she puuurty?

And no, I am not spending company resources on this craze of mine - although I guess I could label it as.. research expenses! ;)

- Trusty

Nice looking smoke pole you got there :)

[PGT Beauregard]

Here are some more of mine, I'll do the pistols later.41074108410941104111

[TrustyJam]

Here are some more of mine, I'll do the pistols later.41074108410941104111

Woah! That's quite an arsenal you've got there. :)

- Trusty

[Hiram Lee]

Here are some more of mine, I'll do the pistols later.41074108410941104111

Hi I think we should be friends so you can protect me
that looks a little equal to the firepower of Canada and Mexico combined

[Wildcat]

this thread is making me so jealous! one day I shall own a Magazine Lee-Enfield.. One day.....

[Legion]

this thread is making me so jealous! one day I shall own a Magazine Lee-Enfield.. One day.....

What version of the SMLE do you want? And do you want to be able to shoot it?

[Wildcat]

What version of the SMLE do you want? And do you want to be able to shoot it?

I want a 1895 MLE like the ones used during the 2nd Boer war, And I want a deactivated one because I want to have it on display which in England you can't really do with a working one you have to have it constantly locked away unless you are using it for cleaning or shooting etc, I mainly want one because my Great Great Grandfather would of probably used one back in the 2nd Boer War. Luckily for me I live near Portsmouth and I know of a few stores that sell deactivated guns so as soon as I can ima get one.

[Legion]

I want a 1895 MLE like the ones used during the 2nd Boer war, And I want a deactivated one because I want to have it on display which in England you can't really do with a working one you have to have it constantly locked away unless you are using it for cleaning or shooting etc, I mainly want one because my Great Great Grandfather would of probably used one back in the 2nd Boer War. Luckily for me I live near Portsmouth and I know of a few stores that sell deactivated guns so as soon as I can ima get one.

You could always buy two, display one and shoot the other;)

[Wildcat]

You could always buy two, display one and shoot the other;)

true, Only problem about buying real guns where I live is the process of the application to get a licence can take forever and ive heard of people having to wait nearly a year just to get the application looked at :(
I do hope to move back to Yorkshire one day though so it might be quicker up their but Hampshire takes sooo long.

[Legion]

true, Only problem about buying real guns where I live is the process of the application to get a licence can take forever and ive heard of people having to wait nearly a year just to get the application looked at :(
I do hope to move back to Yorkshire one day though so it might be quicker up their but Hampshire takes sooo long.

How much does a MLE go for over there? They're pretty cheap over here.

[Wildcat]

im not entirely sure ive not looked to much into it but ive seen SMLE go for about £500 deactivated so I guess similar for a MLE.

[Legion]

That's pretty expensive for a deactivated rifle, working rifles usually go for around $3-500. A deactivated rifle shouldn't be anywhere near that price in my opinion. But I guess it's just because of where you live.

[PGT Beauregard]

What version of the SMLE do you want? And do you want to be able to shoot it?

It's a British P-1885 Martini-Henry MkIV Long Lever Rifle Pattern A - made in 1873. It was part of the Nepal cache. I've gotten most of the gunk cleaned off of it and it is in remarkable shape for having been in storage for over 100 years. Rifling is very sharp and it will be an excellent shooter when I am finished with it and I plan on shooting it a lot.
I love British firearms not just for the historical aspect, but also because they are so well made and very effective for what they were designed for. I bought it from IMA USA in untouched condition. There were no hand select examples remaining so I took a chance despite the warning that there may be parts missing.
There is not a single screw or any other part missing and the wood is almost perfect aside from a very small chip under the forestock. Metal from what I can see so far is equally good with just very minor pitting. I was pretty excited with it once I got all of the yak grease off of it.

[PGT Beauregard]

Woah! That's quite an arsenal you've got there. :)

- Trusty

Thanks! If y'all ever make it down to Louisiana we could have a helluva time shooting :)

Here's a few pics of myself and an old law enforcement buddy of mine at our last range trip.4116411741184119

[Legion]

It's a British P-1885 Martini-Henry MkIV Long Lever Rifle Pattern A - made in 1873. It was part of the Nepal cache. I've gotten most of the gunk cleaned off of it and it is in remarkable shape for having been in storage for over 100 years. Rifling is very sharp and it will be an excellent shooter when I am finished with it and I plan on shooting it a lot.
I love British firearms not just for the historical aspect, but also because they are so well made and very effective for what they were designed for. I bought it from IMA USA in untouched condition. There were no hand select examples remaining so I took a chance despite the warning that there may be parts missing.
There is not a single screw or any other part missing and the wood is almost perfect aside from a very small chip under the forestock. Metal from what I can see so far is equally good with just very minor pitting. I was pretty excited with it once I got all of the yak grease off of it.

I was talking to Wildcat about what Lee-Enfield he wanted, it's all good though:p

Martini-Henry is one of may favorite firearms, I plan on getting a few of the different versions and fixing them up to firing condition. I'm a little worried about getting the Gahendra and Francotte verions as I've heard they can be almost impossible to get into shooting condition, I'll still probably pick them up so I can have each variant.

Also do you plan on making the ammo yourself? because it gets expensive if you don't, the price of brass is about $6-7 a piece if you don't make the brass yourself, ready made ammo is even more expensive. You can make it out of 24 gauge brass shotshells, here is a great video on that:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDgAEMgYgbo

IMA has some nice guns, I plan on picking up a few Martini-Henry and maybe a snider from them once I get the money.

[PGT Beauregard]

Duh.........I just noticed that :). I was about to PM you. Wrong person, wrong rifle. That's what I get for posting when not fully awake. I've seen all of iraqvet8888s vids on the Martini Henry and they are excellent. I will be reloading for it using his advice. I think the only commercially available ammo for it is made by Buffalo and they are $156 for 20 rounds!
I'm gonna stay away from the Gahendras, don't want to take the chance. I probably will get another British made unmarked version and do a total restoration including blueing and wood refinishing. My current one will just be made safe for shooting to keep the collector value.

[Legion]

Nice, I'll definitely get all the British models that I can and the I'll take a chance on the others. I heard that they make the Martini-Henry brass in Australia and it's only $14-15 for a box of 20, the only problem is they only ship to retailers like Midway and they charge over $100 for a box of 20.

[Wildcat]

That's pretty expensive for a deactivated rifle, working rifles usually go for around $3-500. A deactivated rifle shouldn't be anywhere near that price in my opinion. But I guess it's just because of where you live.

yep guns of all types are pretty expensive. Sucks...

[Legion]

yep guns of all types are pretty expensive. Sucks...

Move to America then you'll be able to have all the guns you want, and they aren't that expensive:p

In all seriousness good luck, hopefully one day you'll be able to get one that you can enjoy at a range.

[JaegerCoyote]

I love milsurp, my first and only rifle currently is a K31, and the next milsurp might be a M1917 Enfield.

[Legion]

I love milsurp, my first and only rifle currently is a K31, and the next milsurp might be a M1917 Enfield.

Nice, I don't have any misurp currently but I have a very long list of them that I want to get eventually. If only I'd win the lottery then I'd be set

[Pvt.Scott]

I don't have any guns. :( Mostly because it's illegal for me to own one.

[Legion]

I don't have any guns. :( Mostly because it's illegal for me to own one.

I'm sorry. You could move out of New York, it's almost as bad a Cali. There's gotta be some guns you can own, unless of course you can't pass the background check.

[Pvt.Scott]

I'm sorry. You could move out of New York, it's almost as bad a Cali. There's gotta be some guns you can own, unless of course you can't pass the background check.

No I don't think I can. I'm not 18. It is literally impossible for me to legally own a gun. But. I also relized I have nothing to do with a gun even of could. I live in a town. So I really have no reason to have one. I do plan to play airsoft after I'm done in school. which is still a ways away.

[JmCraz8]

I have an 1853 Enfield Musket it's perty with the blued barrel

[csheffield1]

1861 Springfield, and 1851 Navy Yank. Looking to buy some sort of Colt Army soon.

[Legion]

No I don't think I can. I'm not 18. It is literally impossible for me to legally own a gun. But. I also relized I have nothing to do with a gun even of could. I live in a town. So I really have no reason to have one. I do plan to play airsoft after I'm done in school. which is still a ways away.

You legally can own a long gun (shotgun, rifle) there is no minimum age to own a long gun, you have to be at least 18 to own a handgun.

An FFL can't sell you weapons or ammo but a private seller can, federal law says you are legally allowed to own a firearm. There is no age requirement (except for a handgun).

State Law may be different but Federal Law says you can have one.

Also, you have plenty of reasons to own a firearm, the main reason is because it's your right to own one. Thats all the reason you really need;)

[Pvt.Scott]

hmm. Didn't know that. But I have two problems. 1. I don't think my parents will let me buy a gun.
2. I a poor bastard. I think I have like $300 in all. I will probably start working next year. But I also want to save money to buy stuff. Like a new computer because my laptop is shit. And of course. Steam Cards to support Gaben.
(I run "Call to Arms" on anywhere between 1-6 fps :p) So even if I wanted one. It's on the back of my list of things I want.

[JulietPapaOscar]

While not a "real" gun, I own a reproduction 1859 Sharps carbine (Two band). Beautiful walnut wood furniture and nice heavy metal, makes a good club if necessary :)

[Legion]

While not a "real" gun, I own a reproduction 1859 Sharps carbine (Two band). Beautiful walnut wood furniture and nice heavy metal, makes a good club if necessary :)

Nice, you could always get a real one for a pretty penny:D http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=910
You could find them cheaper but it takes some looking.

[TrustyJam]

Nice, you could always get a real one for a pretty penny:D http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=910
You could find them cheaper but it takes some looking.

That's a reproduction :P

Here's a few better shots of my original 1859 new model sharps just to show off. :P I did some research on its serial, 333XX (in the 33000 to 34000 range) and it turns out that's the earliest batch of a thousand ordered by the military, in this case, the navy in 1860. It was delivered to Washington and Philadelphia naval yards in november of 1860. There's a bit of interesting information talking about only 600 being delivered to the yards while the remaining 400 ending up in Georgia of all places and thus becoming confed sharps but haven't been able to find enough information about that to verify whether or not that is correct.

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- Trusty

[Legion]

That's a reproduction :P

Here's a few better shots of my original 1859 new model sharps just to show off. :P I did some research on its serial, 333XX (in the 33000 to 34000 range) and it turns out that's the earliest batch of a thousand ordered by the military, in this case, the navy in 1860. It was delivered to Washington and Philadelphia naval yards in november of 1860. There's a bit of interesting information talking about only 600 being delivered to the yards while the remaining 400 ending up in Georgia of all places and thus becoming confed sharps but haven't been able to find enough information about that to verify whether or not that is correct.

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- Trusty

It may be a reproduction but it shoot real bullets :p
When he said it wasn't a "real" gun, I figured he meant that it didn't fire.

Also, very cool info about your rifle. Your a lucky man.

[Jasin210]

I have a M1911 for home defence and a pellet rifle just for target practice.

[JulietPapaOscar]

It may be a reproduction but it shoot real bullets :p
When he said it wasn't a "real" gun, I figured he meant that it didn't fire.

Also, very cool info about your rifle. Your a lucky man.

Yeah, mine isn't a firing gun (can use those paper caps on it though if you'd like...) the breech is blocked up and the barrel is plugged up until about four inches from the muzzle

But it's a gorgeous piece of history regardless, though if I got a blackpowder gun, I'd probably be getting the classic three band Enfield

[Cold Steele]

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[Legion]

4179

Very Nice.

Rifles
Winchester 1895
Martini-Henry Mk I
Martini-Henry Mk II
Martini-Henry Mk III
Martini-Henry Mk IV A, B, C
Martini-Henry Gahenrda
Martini-Henry Francotte
Whitworth Rifle
M1841 Mississippi Rifle
Lee-Metford Rifle
Lee-Enfield
Martini-Enfield Mk I, Mk II
Snider-Enfield Rifle
Short Magazine Lee-Enfield Mk I, II, III
Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk IV
US M1917
Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk I
Lebel Model 1886 Rifle
MAS-36
RCS M1917
RCS M1918
Remington model 8
Remingtin rolling block
Winchester M1907
Winchester M1910
M1903 A1 Springfield
M1903 A2 Springfield
M1903 A3 Springfield
M1 Garand
M-14
Remington 700
McMillian Tac 300
McMillian Tac-50
AR-15
Ak-47
Kentucky Rifle
1885 Low Wall
1885 High Wall
Springfield Model 1892–99 Krag Jorgensen
Mauser 98
Mosin Nagant M91/30
Swiss K31
Remington 1907
Ross Rifle
Mauser K98K
Tavor SAR-B16
Mosin M44
FN 1949
SKS
Type 45 Siamese Mauser
1878 Swiss Vetterli Rifle
Mannlicher M1895
Berthier rifle
M71/78 Dutch Beaumont Vitali
Providence Peabody Rifle
M21
M1A
M1 Carbine
M1917 Enfield
Spencer Rifle/Carbine
vz. 52
Johnson M1941
Marlin Model 1893 Musket Configuration
Winchester 1873 Musket Configuration
Hakim Rifle
Arisaka Paratrooper Type II
SVD Dragunov
Austrian Werndl Infantry 11mm
M1908 Mondragon Semiauto Rifle
Pederson Self-Loading Rifle
Mondragon 1894 Straight-Pull Bolt Action Rifle
Banelli R1
MAS 49
Swiss AG42 B
FN FAL
PS 90
FN Scar
Evans Repeating Rifle
Marlin 1893
Whitney Phoenix Rifle
Beaumont/Vitale, Model 1871/88
Winchester 1873
15-19 JOSLYN CARBINE
German GEW 88
14-98 HOPKINS & ALLEN FALLING ROLLING BLOCK RIFLE
Allen Drop Breech Large Frame Take down Rifle
Edward Maynard 1973 .32RF
Remington Keene
Stevens rifle
Browning 1895
Russian VEPR



Shotguns
Remington Model 11

Handguns
Berretta 950
Colt 1917
Colt 1873
Colt Model 1878
Smith &Wesson #3
Smith & Wesson Schofield
Japanese Type 26
Metalurgic Bresciana 1889
Webley Revolver
Russian Nagant Revolver
Brazilian Pinfire Revolver
French Model 1892
MODELLO 1899 ENLISTED MODEL
SWISS SCHMIDT M1882
Enfield Mark II .476 caliber.
Colt 1911
Walther P38
Luger
Browning 1935
Nambu Type 94
Lemat Revolver

Now I just need to win the lottery.:D

[Nick Lazanis]

Don't have a gun, used a lee enfield Mk I once and I have a M9 bayonet and a Shashka

[csheffield1]

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Why sir, do you have a live cap on!?
Also, nice lock-plate and Hammer.

[Legion]

I hope they open one in Louisiana.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdABvh94SW0

[Colonel P. R. Page]

I'd love to have those.

I'd have a MP40, and STG44.

[Eduard_Dietl]

I have a Femaru 37M, a Hungarian pistol made from 1937 to 1944-45, mine was manufactured in 1939.

[Cube210]

Pedersoli Springfield M1816 Flintlock I just received.
http://i.imgur.com/bKEvS1K.jpg

Muh musket next to muh musket.
http://i.imgur.com/bITvHfv.jpg

National Match Springfield M1903A3
http://i.imgur.com/YsqcXoZ.jpg

U.S. Army portion of my weapons collection. 1816 not in picture :'(
http://i.imgur.com/oQDHQlI.jpg

[Mississippi]

Winchester 1892

Winchester 1894

Remington Model 760

[Eduard_Dietl]

Winchester 1892

Winchester 1894

Remington Model 760

An 1892? My Grandfather owns one of those with the original 25-20 W.C.F. chambering, very nice lever action.

[Ted]

I'm German. Does this answer all questions?

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

I'm German. Does this answer all questions?

no, not really

[Cube210]

I'm German. Does this answer all questions?

You can own a gun.
Hell my friend in Belgium owns a ScarH somehow.

[Pepin le Bref]

4348

Original M1863 Springfield

[Soulfly]

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Original M1863 Springfield

nice picture, i always imagined the rifles being a bit larger though.

Ps: the historic helmet looks amazing too ;)

[thomas aagaard]

Remember the average height back then was something like 165-170cm.
(maybe someone got a more precise number?)

[JaegerCoyote]

Yeah, that why in C&Rsenal videos, Mae does the shooting since she more fits the average soldier at the time.

[Legion]

Early Christmas present to myself.

M1898 30-40 Krag
http://i.imgur.com/KsDc4Vh.jpg

38 Special
http://i.imgur.com/GFAW4zk.jpg

[FancyPants]

Ready for the globalists.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KwAYz1K.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqUk28OwHs

[Alexander Greene]

I've got a 12 gage Remington 870 with a 6 round mag and a Brown Bess flintlock musket that is .75 calibers big. You can't hit the broad side of a barn with the damn thing but it makes a great bang! :D

[Legion]

Repeal the Hughes Amendment

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-1986-full-auto-ban-18-usc-ss-922o

Sign and make sure to verify in email.

The previous petition fell short by just a few thousand signatures. Lets get this one through.

[yoyo8346]

Repeal the Hughes Amendment. Lets get this one through.

gg.

[Jack Clock]

Ready for the globalists.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KwAYz1K.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqUk28OwHs

TRIGGERED.


I am too young to have guns, but I want a Karabiner98AZ.

[Legion]

TRIGGERED.


I am too young to have guns, but I want a Karabiner98AZ.

Depending on your state there is no minimum age to posses a firearm. For instance, in my state (Louisiana) there is no minimum age to own a long-gun (rifle, shotgun, etc) but for handguns it's 21 and older.

Check your state laws.

But I suppose it's really up to your parents.

The K-98 is def a nice rifle and is one that is on my gun list. Really any Mauser rifle is nice to have, you can pick up a Spanish 1916 Mauser for around 150-200 bucks.

The Mauser that I really want is the Gewehr 98.

[Joshua Chamberlain]

K-98 is trash is all about that good ole Springfield 1903

[Jack Clock]

Forget bolt-action rifles! The MG-08/15 is the best there is!

[thomas aagaard]

K-98 is trash is all about that good ole Springfield 1903

You do realize that the Springfield 1903 was basically a copy of the Mauser?

The US government ended up paying royalties to the Mauser company after the germans suited.

[Soulfly]

You do realize that the Springfield 1903 was basically a copy of the Mauser?

The US government ended up paying royalties to the Mauser company after the germans suited.

(first time i must agree with you Thomas) The Springfield indeed is a (though a bad) copy of the original Mauser

[Legion]

K-98 is trash is all about that good ole Springfield 1903


(first time i must agree with you Thomas) The Springfield indeed is a (though a bad) copy of the original Mauser

To say that the Springfield 1903 or the K98 are bad rifles is wrong.

Both the K98 and 1903 are great rifles. The Mauser action is used in almost every bolt action rifle today, it's a great action and that's why we copied it for the 1903.

I also don't see why you say that the 1903 is a bad copy of the mauser, it may not be an exact copy but it is an excellent rifle. The only real bad thing about the 1903 is with serial # below 800,000 due to the metal being weaker and more prone to failure.

[Henronicus]

G98>K98 (I have a thing for straight bolts it seems, then again I'm a lefty and they're easier for me to reach over)

[JaegerCoyote]

Guys, clearly the K31 is the best bolt gun. :p

[Soulfly]

I never said that that those are bad rifles, i just stated that the Springfield is a bad copy of K98. As i dont want to start a discussion now about the why, i would suggest to check the pros and cons of the rifles.

[Legion]

I never said that that those are bad rifles, i just stated that the Springfield is a bad copy of K98. As i dont want to start a discussion now about the why, i would suggest to check the pros and cons of the rifles.

Thats probably because the Springfield isn't a copy of the K98. It's a copy of the M1893 and G98 Mausers.

[Kyle422]

I also don't see why you say that the 1903 is a bad copy of the mauser, it may not be an exact copy but it is an excellent rifle. The only real bad thing about the 1903 is with serial # below 800,000 due to the metal being weaker and more prone to failure.

Honestly from what I read the failure is pretty much BS I have shot many 1903s that had very low serial numbers many times. when the guns did blow up it was only a couple and it was due to the fact they were using crappy ammo or user error.

[Legion]

Honestly from what I read the failure is pretty much BS I have shot many 1903s that had very low serial numbers many times. when the guns did blow up it was only a couple and it was due to the fact they were using crappy ammo or user error.

I agree that the failures were few and far between but I still don't like to take chances like that.

It also depends on the 1903 you were using and what company manufactured them.


Rock Island 1903s # 285,507 and above are good.

Springfield Armory 1903s #800,000 and above are good.

Also were the ones you fired 1903s or 1903A3?

[David Dire]

Slight necro, but no sense in creating a new thread when a perfectly adequate one exists, hm?

Picked this cosmoline coated beauty up this morning.

http://tw.greywool.com/i/846hC.jpg

Mosin Carbine in great condition. Plan on taking her out and shooting in a week or so.

[Gator]

I see you guys like Mosins. I got a little something for that. 1943 91/30

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[Legion]

Classic Firearms has a good selection of Mosins and other surplus rifles. I plan on picking up a few once I have the money.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/