Political Correctness

[Arkansan]

Making this thread to see where people stand here, and point out my bias against Political Correctness.

I'm a big fan of this game, the developers for making it, hell, even the title of the game. That being said, I've noticed some political correctness going on here. Bias moderators being the main issue. Locking and deleting of threads that do not do anything except state differing opinions. Hell, look at all the locked threads just in the Off-Topic area. Isn't this the place for people to talk and disagree or agree on ANYTHING?

I feel the main use of the term, Political Correctness, is to censor ideas and opinions that differ to another's. This censorship is hid underneath the guise of protecting peoples feelings and emotions. What have we become? Are we so worried about offending someone that we force ourselves to agree on a topic? I personally don't believe nursing other people's emotions is good for their state of mind.

I'm not against enforcing general trolling rules. AKA general disrespect, foul language (for the children), and blatant tom foolery on main threads. I'm just against censoring peoples thoughts, ideas, and personalities. Be them sarcastic, blunt, standoffish, and even rude. This is what makes a person who they are and it makes their ideas no less valuable than the timid folks that take offence to their differing ideas.


I enjoy a good argument and look forward to peoples opinions and thoughts on this topic.

[William F. Randolph]

All I'm going to say is that if this is locked, it proves his point lol

[TrustyJam]

I take it this thread is made as a respons to me closing this thread: http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?3157-US-Presidental-Mock-Election-Poll

We're fine with people discussing different views on things. We are not fine with people telling people with other views than them to kill themselves (the comment I refer to has been deleted and the user punished).

That may fall under your term "political correctness" and I guess that would be true - it isn't at all "correct" to use that sort of language in my opinion. Please understand that this game and forum is for everyone. It would be completely silly to allow people to say that stuff to eachother as it does nothing but turn new community members away and sour the relationship between the ones already here.

- Trusty

[Arkansan]

I take it this thread is made as a respons to me closing this thread: http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?3157-US-Presidental-Mock-Election-Poll

- Trusty

I never had a chance to read about people saying that. Guess it was deleted pretty quick.

[KernelPopcorn]

I'm gonna assume he didn't see what that guy said before it got deleted.

"Kill yourself" isn't a valid opinion. :)

[TrustyJam]

I never had a chance to read about people saying that. Guess it was deleted pretty quick.

Yep, we had a quick moderator taking care of it.

- Trusty

[William F. Randolph]

A prime example would be my thread that got deleted around a week ago on the company tool ability to mark yourself down as having a certain pledge tier. Several good points form both sides were exchanged, yet a moderator attempted to close it when he couldn't find a response. The thread was then reopened, and then closed again by another different mod just because the other mod couldn't hold himself together. No flame was started by the regular users either, the mods were entirely at fault. If you don't believe me, I have PM's of my conversations with them and is is pretty telling that there is censorship occurring of valid topics that mods heavily disagree with.

[Arkansan]

Why does the thread have to be locked due to that one person? I'm guessing it was just one. Didn't get the chance until now to read it. The locking and censorship of others ideas I don't care for. Anyways, I'm off the late night college class. I'll chat more later folks.

[Legion]

No. I hate political correctness. PC people hate almost everything I hold dear as an American and they cause a great deal of problems for this country. The world would be a better place without political correctness.

[TrustyJam]

A prime example would be my thread that got deleted around a week ago on the company tool ability to mark yourself down as having a certain pledge tier. Several good points form both sides were exchanged, yet a moderator attempted to close it when he couldn't find a response. The thread was then reopened, and then closed again by another different mod just because the other mod couldn't hold himself together. No flame was started by the regular users either, the mods were entirely at fault. If you don't believe me, I have PM's of my conversations with them and is is pretty telling that there is censorship occurring of valid topics that mods heavily disagree with.


We're not going to be discussing specific mod actions out in the open. If you truely wish to complain about a mod you can always PM me or send an email and we'll investigate.

- Trusty

[Kyle422]

A prime example would be my thread that got deleted around a week ago on the company tool ability to mark yourself down as having a certain pledge tier. Several good points form both sides were exchanged, yet a moderator attempted to close it when he couldn't find a response. The thread was then reopened, and then closed again by another different mod just because the other mod couldn't hold himself together. No flame was started by the regular users either, the mods were entirely at fault. If you don't believe me, I have PM's of my conversations with them and is is pretty telling that there is censorship occurring of valid topics that mods heavily disagree with.

Actually that was not the case I deleted it because there was no need for the BS. The same reason I deleted Mr. Luke's post stating that people should go hang their selves. We are just trying to keep assholes at bay. Should I have deleted your post, maybe not.

[TrustyJam]

Why does the thread have to be locked due to that one person? I'm guessing it was just one. Didn't get the chance until now to read it. The locking and censorship of others ideas I don't care for. Anyways, I'm off the late night college class. I'll chat more later folks.


Because we can't monitor everything all the time. We gave you the chance to discuss the issue in a civil manner but it escelating within a very few posts from "who do you vote for" to "fuck you" to "kill yourself" blew it.

- Trusty

[Dingle]

"Political Correctness" is honestly such a meaningless term at this point. To some people, it means maintaining a level of respect for all people, while to others, it means complete and utter destruction of any viewpoints that could be considered even slightly provocative or offensive.

However, I think it's pretty invalid to talk about political correctness in regards to a thread about pledge tier marking in the company tool. That clearly has nothing to do with politics or potentially offensive viewpoints. Censorship isn't always about political correctness.

[TrustyJam]

This forum is moderated. That shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Censorship is bound to happen - it's part of the reason why we have mods in the first place. You are able to have freedom of speech to a certain extent here, but only so - not at an unlimited level.

Name one forum/internet page with no moderation that has managed to to only have down to earth, civil discussions and not enraged discussions fueled by trolls or internet warriors. :)

- Trusty

[thomas aagaard]

This is a privately owned internet forum and as such they can bane any topic they want to.

And in both the US and in Denmark there is not unlimited freedom of speech.


And think they should just ban modern US politics... since most Americans can clearly not debate that in a calm and constructive manner.
(it is banned on the 3 forums about the ACW that I follow... for good reason)
Think the two party system is a huge part of the problem...

Modern politics is not that relevant to the game and it only divide the users and make the devs spend time on moderating it.

[Dingle]

Just to be clear, I wasn't saying whether or not I thought the censorship was justified (I have no idea what happened on that thread). I was merely saying that that particular example has nothing to do with "political correctness", which is an overused term.

[William F. Randolph]

We're not going to be discussing specific mod actions out in the open. If you truely wish to complain about a mod you can always PM me or send an email and we'll investigate.

- Trusty

This is why I didn't name names, I have followed protocol perfectly and am well within my rights through this forum with the actions I've taken thus far. I have already told the people in question that if I see this happen again I will be submitting evidence of both to developers. Thanks. And I will be responding to the moderator that has come forward publicly first, as he has set the precedent.


Actually that was not the case I deleted it because there was no need for the BS. The same reason I deleted Mr. Luke's post stating that people should go hang their selves. We are just trying to keep assholes at bay. Should I have deleted your post, maybe not.

As I recollect there were no death threats exchanged, and the BS you speak of are opinions being voiced and no forum rules were broken I as far as I recall (proof otherwise would be gladly accepted). I accepted your apology, but it does not change the fact that I along with several other people are being much more vigilant and we should forget previous events.

[Arkansan]

I deleted it because there was no need for the BS. We are just trying to keep assholes at bay.

Thanks... I'm sure you were referring to me and my opinions and evidence for my case I was trying to push..
I really thought part of the reason it was deleted was to cover for the other moderator making a fool of himself. Who also thought it fit to 'punish' me for my opinions and quoting other's opinions as well by giving me some repercussion point. Idk what that is. But he admitted to trying to goad me on and mock me. Nice cover up.


Because we can't monitor everything all the time. We gave you the chance to discuss the issue in a civil manner but it escelating within a very few posts from "who do you vote for" to "fuck you" to "kill yourself" blew it.

- Trusty

I honestly never got to read partake in this thread in time, though I might have liked to. Instead it was locked. You punish the folks breaking your rules. Not the rest of us following the rules by locking an entire thread. If you simply locked threads because you can't monitor them all, then ya'll seem to be very selective on the ones you lock. There are some ancient threads on here lol. Plus the forums shows what threads have most recent comments to help users and moderators keep up with what is actually being discussed instead of locking old threads. (which isn't the case)

[TrustyJam]

With all due respect, you don't get to tell us which threads to lock or not.

It is a very common way of doing things on a bigger scale. You see if certain topics and discussions work on a more isolated basis as a testbed and then react on that in a more broad way.

If topics previously have prooven to be a can of worms we'll naturally be quicker to shut down new threads regarding the exact same topic.

- Trusty

[Arkansan]

I'm not trying to open any can of worms. I'm just defending my ideas and opinions as well as others. I mostly made this thread to discuss my bias against Political Correctness but when I see someone referring to me as an asshole and the reason they closed a thread I'm not going to not say anything.

[TrustyJam]

I'm not trying to open any can of worms. I'm just defending my ideas and opinions as well as others. I mostly made this thread to discuss my bias against Political Correctness but when I see someone referring to me as an asshole and the reason they closed a thread I'm not going to not say anything.

Understood. I've already had a word with Kyle as it has no place to openly discuss mod actions on here. He shouldn't have entered this discussion in the first place. The action of a mod is not up for public discussion, however, you can always contact a developer directly if you feel like you've been unjustly enough treated to grant the case the right of us spending time on investigating it instead of actually developing the game.

Can we please continue to talk about political correctness and not specific mod decisions? If not I'm going to have to close this thread as well.

- Trusty

[Arkansan]

Understood. I've already had a word with Kyle as it has no place to openly discuss mod actions on here. He shouldn't have entered this discussion in the first place. The action of a mod is not up for public discussion, however, you can always contact a developer directly if you feel like you've been unjustly enough treated to grant the case the right of us spending time on investigating it instead of actually developing the game.

Can we please continue to talk about political correctness and not specific mod decisions? If not I'm going to have to close this thread as well.

- Trusty

THANK YOU!

I had actually just got out my college English class where we discussed different newspaper articles and discussed how each author/editor was bias in one view or the other. The first article was discussing the change of the Handicapped parking symbol from just a blue stick figure sitting down into a blue figure that looked like they were in the Special Olympics. Overall the class thought the article boiled down to political correctness in the state of Connecticut, as well as the author just trying to make a story where there wasn't one.

Regular Handicapped Sign (https://gyazo.com/a73eeb4f0b051337c86c12641c5ff277)

Proposed Handicapped Sign (https://gyazo.com/9371f0c21344f4b5d9d5e7d5b20628cc)

[TrustyJam]

Your links appear to be broken (at least for me) :)

I do agree that there is a whole segment of people actively trying to get outraged/start a shitstorm over extremely minor issues. I guess they very much embody the main issue that is to be overly political correct. It can create a lot of noise that then takes attention from the really important/big issues.

- Trusty

[Arkansan]

If that other post wasn't locked I'd put it there but...


TRUMP IS WINNING WOOOO!

Obama you are FIRED

Hillary, you're going to prison!

[Bravescot]

TRUMP IS WINNING WOOOO!

Obama you are FIRED

Hillary, you're going to prison!

*America at the moment*: Nobody move! I dropped me brain!

[PGT Beauregard]

I take it this thread is made as a respons to me closing this thread: http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?3157-US-Presidental-Mock-Election-Poll

We're fine with people discussing different views on things. We are not fine with people telling people with other views than them to kill themselves (the comment I refer to has been deleted and the user punished).

That may fall under your term "political correctness" and I guess that would be true - it isn't at all "correct" to use that sort of language in my opinion. Please understand that this game and forum is for everyone. It would be completely silly to allow people to say that stuff to eachother as it does nothing but turn new community members away and sour the relationship between the ones already here.

- Trusty

Agreed 100% Nothing wrong with spirited discussion about our passion of history, but personal attacks are never warranted. Only those with a weak argument feel the need to attack. History happened, it cannot be changed or revised. All of us here should be on the same sheet of music and treat each other with respect due to our shared passion for history and not quibble about history that has already been settled. Political correctness has no place in any discussion of history, neither does revisionism. If you can't defend your stance intelligently it would probably be best to not voice your objection to begin with. We are all here for the same thing, to see this project through to be what the developers have laid the groundwork for. A project the kind of which has never been done before with an uncompromising dedication to accuracy balanced with playability. This project is truly groundbreaking and it is my hope that it is only the beginning of many more great things to come from this small development company. We have had a great start and need to stick together to ensure the success of this project. If we stick together and continue to get the word out, we will see things in the future we have only been able to dream of previously. There is no political correctness here, just an attempt to keep us from being distracted from our primary mission that is to make this project an overwhelming success.

[Macliness]

*America at the moment*: Nobody move! I dropped me brain!

this is honestly why you really need to be re-evaluated as to why you have moderator. You are not helping anyone by insulting people by saying this. end of story.
as you can tell im not american myself and it looks unprofessional when you act like a child with a position of power.

[Arkansan]

this is honestly why you really need to be re-evaluated as to why you have moderator. You are not helping anyone by insulting people by saying this. end of story.

^^^

[LocJope]

this is honestly why you really need to be re-evaluated as to why you have moderator. You are not helping anyone by insulting people by saying this. end of story.
as you can tell im not american myself and it looks unprofessional when you act like a child with a position of power.

I second this.

[Bravescot]

Man, I make a referance to this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73vHWnpNaWU in fair joke.

[Macliness]

Man, I make a referance to this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73vHWnpNaWU in fair joke.

regardless its unprofessional you don't see me going around doing it why do you think its right for yourself to do so? just childish.

[General. Jackson]

this is honestly why you really need to be re-evaluated as to why you have moderator. You are not helping anyone by insulting people by saying this. end of story.
as you can tell im not american myself and it looks unprofessional when you act like a child with a position of power.

I also agree. I am Australian and love the United States, I don't like either but I'm not saying anything. If you aren't involved, don't get involved.

[TrustyJam]

As I stated earier, if you're unhappy with a mod message me and I'll investigate. I'm not willing to discuss specific cases in a public forum.

- Trusty

[Macliness]

As I stated earier, if you're unhappy with a mod message me and I'll investigate. I'm not willing to discuss specific cases in a public forum.

- Trusty

ACK! i will respect that. Thank you

[Wildcat]

this is honestly why you really need to be re-evaluated as to why you have moderator. You are not helping anyone by insulting people by saying this. end of story.
as you can tell im not american myself and it looks unprofessional when you act like a child with a position of power.

So Moderators can't share their opinions and make jokes?

[General. Jackson]

No, they can't when it's on a political level that will offend people inciting an argument and a normal user of the forum can't do anything about it because old mates got that sweet mod tag that you'll cop a ban. Because who wants to fight someone in a position of power?

[TrustyJam]

Start another discussion about general mod responsibilities if you feel like you would like to discuss further about that in a public forum (do not discuss individuals or specific cases or it will get shut down).

I'm going to close this thread as I have seen about 5% of the posts here being about the actual topic of it.

- Trusty