BoP: Europe 1914 - [Out-of-character thread]

[Bravescot]

Lads I got bad news. My laptop (the workhorse behind everything I do as I'm a poor ass sob would doesnt own a proper PC) just straight up died. It's utterly unresponsive and won't turn on. First day back in the U.K.

As a result the game is on hold as I am unable to do anything. I have none of my stored info. I can't write events etc. For the time being, until I get a proper PC in the next few days and try and save the hard drive, I am out of action.

[michaelsmithern]

Lads I got bad news. My laptop (the workhorse behind everything I do as I'm a poor ass sob would doesnt own a proper PC) just straight up died. It's utterly unresponsive and won't turn on. First day back in the U.K.

As a result the game is on hold as I am unable to do anything. I have none of my stored info. I can't write events etc. For the time being, until I get a proper PC in the next few days and try and save the hard drive, I am out of action.

happens to the best of us Scotty. and just when the game was getting into the super intense overdrive mega awesome part

[Sarado]

Gives us all some time to organise, I guess. Let's just hope none of the data is lost!

[Bravescot]

Gives us all some time to organise, I guess. Let's just hope none of the data is lost!

That's my biggest fear. I got a lot of stuff, game and non-game related, that I do not want to lose!

[Sarado]

Best of luck.

[Jordon Brooker]

Good luck! Hopefully you'll sort it out in no time.

[yoyo8346]

players are NOT meant to make up their own "several weeks passed" event- and timeline without speaking to the GM first. Bravescot said that a dozen times or so.

By the way Ted, please don't accuse me of not checking with the GM when you clearly haven't done so yourself...

https://i.gyazo.com/a2ec1aa48c58aece5c61058754571523.png

[Bravescot]

Soulfly and Chester! Spain and Serbia have now opened up. Spain has stepped down and I'm removing Serbia for inactivity. Please feel free to claim which ever one of the two nations you want.

[Ted]

By the way Ted, please don't accuse me of not checking with the GM when you clearly haven't done so yourself...

https://i.gyazo.com/a2ec1aa48c58aece5c61058754571523.png


The cringe is strong with that one.


I checked with the ruling Bravescot applied earlier and therefore expected that to be still in place when it comes to ultimatums:


At 00:00 hours JST the Scandinavian Pact will have 24hrs irl to respond to Germany's unltimatume. If they fail to respond by 00:00 hours JST on the 28th Feb. Germany will be permitted to declare its ultimatum unanswered.



Belgium asks that Germany provide clearer justification for their War against Denmark.

Upon hearing the news of the German declaration, Belgian officials found themselves confused about the reasoning behind it. The ministry of foreign affairs states that if Germany's justification is deemed invalid, Belgium will be forced to honour their alliance with Denmark, which would in-turn trigger several other defensive pacts against Germany and cause a general European war.

^ This is an ultimatum, so I did not see any reason why the ruling quoted above should not have been applied to that one as well. Not to mention that I'm still curious how an agressive war against me would put your defensive pacts into effect, as an aggressive war is aggressive, not defensive, but well, some people seem to roleplay as irrational governments, Bravescot explained that to me ages ago.... RIP logic.


Bravescot stated multiple times that press, actions of other players, events and timelines are not controlled by players and can therefore not be posted without GM's approval/update as this would be

breaching the rule of not RPing non-player controlled stuff
I for some reason thought that the course of time was something not controlled by player, but it seems it is.

It obviously seems that this kind of ruling has therefore vanished, good to know.


I apologise for thinking that time was

non-player controlled stuff

[Bravescot]

The call for a reponse was made on the 23rd. The declaration was on the 26th. More than 24hrs had gone by, player afk or not.

[Sarado]

I do have to agree with Ted here, it was my belief that the GM decides how much time has passed. If we do it in a way that players decide the timeline, things will go all over the place. E.g I've been waiting for a response from Denmark to a very important PM (that I've specifically titled to be urgent) ,which would kind of set the course of how the near future of this game unfolds (if all parties were to act rational, that is), for 2 days and a half now. Am I supposed to declare it unresponded now and draw the necessary consequences? That would kind of take the sense out of the game if all the deciding PMs are left unanswered.

I suppose in the end it wouldn't have made a big difference if the time Bravescot would've set were 24hours as the response took longer than that. But I believe we need a tighter ruleset on how the timeline progresses.

(P.S: I have Grammarly installed and it always wants to auto-correct Bravescot into Braves cut. So annoying)

[Sarado]

Well, bugger me! THAT is interesting!

[Bravescot]

Well, bugger me! THAT is interesting!

Indeed it did!

I'd like to respectfully ask players to pause any main thread activity, like I asked for before Ted, until I'm up and active again. PMs and off thread actions are still fine obviously, so if you want to send me war plans feel free!

[Ted]

Indeed it did!

I'd like to respectfully ask players to pause any main thread activity, like I asked for before Ted, until I'm up and active again. PMs and off thread actions are still fine obviously, so if you want to send me war plans feel free!


Oh god, I misinterpreted your "the game is on hold" as "no updates until my laptop works again", sorry :eek:

Well yoyo, I assume I've messed up gamemaster-wise as well then, no hard feelings, maybe I should just go and bury myself or something :p

[eagles62973]

No Problem Brave, don't worry I will be putting the final Message that was taken out to further denouce the French.

[Bravescot]

Dom you need to clear out your inbox.

Also, Soulfly will be joining in as Spain when things get moving again, the lad is green as grass and a bit nervous so be kind xD.

[Soulfly]

... the lad is green as grass and a bit nervous so be kind xD.

Oh well thats lovely :D

[Sarado]

Welcome to the game, Soulfly. It's easy once you get used to it! Still learning myself.

[Soulfly]

once i get the "go" i would prefer making a test post here if you dont mind

[VOLCUSGAMING]

I do have to agree with Ted here, it was my belief that the GM decides how much time has passed. If we do it in a way that players decide the timeline, things will go all over the place. E.g I've been waiting for a response from Denmark to a very important PM (that I've specifically titled to be urgent) ,which would kind of set the course of how the near future of this game unfolds (if all parties were to act rational, that is), for 2 days and a half now. Am I supposed to declare it unresponded now and draw the necessary consequences? That would kind of take the sense out of the game if all the deciding PMs are left unanswered.

(P.S: I have Grammarly installed and it always wants to auto-correct Bravescot into Braves cut. So annoying)

1st of all, a Pm like the one you sent takes time to answer, and currently, I'm busy, but I'm working on it. :)

2nd I have Grammarly too, and you can just click 'Add to Dicionary', that should fix it. :)

[Bravescot]

I do have to agree with Ted here, it was my belief that the GM decides how much time has passed. If we do it in a way that players decide the timeline, things will go all over the place. E.g I've been waiting for a response from Denmark to a very important PM (that I've specifically titled to be urgent) ,which would kind of set the course of how the near future of this game unfolds (if all parties were to act rational, that is), for 2 days and a half now. Am I supposed to declare it unresponded now and draw the necessary consequences? That would kind of take the sense out of the game if all the deciding PMs are left unanswered.

I suppose in the end it wouldn't have made a big difference if the time Bravescot would've set were 24hours as the response took longer than that. But I believe we need a tighter ruleset on how the timeline progresses.

(P.S: I have Grammarly installed and it always wants to auto-correct Bravescot into Braves cut. So annoying)

I gave the Scandinavian pact 24hrs to respond to the ultimatum Germany once issued them. It should have been clear that I'd have done the same on Belgium's demand and the Swedish-Norwegian demand. I was at the time unable to make it clear that that was the rule.

In regards to how players choose to play that's for them to decide. So long as they are active on the main game thread they could opt to ignore all PMs sent to them by other players if they so wished to.

[crazychester1247]

I got your PM BraveScot, I'll take Serbia then please.

[Bravescot]

BUMP! I'll take Serbia.

Check the main thread, you're on it. Just don't have the Serb details to hand to send you.

Also bump is banned in the forum rules. Better edit your post

[crazychester1247]

Check the main thread, you're on it. Just don't have the Serb details to hand to send you.

Also bump is banned in the forum rules. Better edit your post

Ok. Thank you.

[Bravescot]

Stop double posting!

[crazychester1247]

Stop double posting!

It was a test post!

[Bravescot]

All the T have been crossed and all the i dotted. My new PC will be with me 12 - 13th April!

[Sarado]

Awesome!

[Soulfly]

good news indeed, though i have still no idea what i will do...except siesta as a law

[VOLCUSGAMING]

except siesta as a law

I will definitely move to Spain! :D

[michaelsmithern]

when you're a secondary power, so your input in european politics isn't as important

[Bravescot]

when you're a secondary power, so your input in european politics isn't as important
That's all but 6 nations xD but you can still grow.

[michaelsmithern]

That's all but 6 nations xD but you can still grow.

when literally every nation around me is guaranteed by some foreign power that probs wants to take them over later

[Valdounet]

When you're a Balkan nation but atleast you've got sausages

[desdeasr]

when you're a secondary power, so your input in european politics isn't as important

Your input is actually quite high as a secondary power Like me and Belgium basicly started WW1 :P
Although I am only fighting Belgium and denmark myself.(for now)

[Ted]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x31iber

That's your soundtrack for the update


Let's be honest here, Germany still has the best military orchestras :o ;)

[Bravescot]

Update will be done tomorrow due to the vast amount of plans I just got taking a while to process. At 00:00 GMT I will not accept any new plans.

[desdeasr]

Reminder to people with a full inbox please empty it because it can be annoying.

[michaelsmithern]

Note: I have deleted my last post because the game moderator has kindly asked me to, it will be reposted upon the next update.

[Bravescot]

Note: I have deleted my last post because the game moderator has kindly asked me to, it will be reposted upon the next update.

Nah, I wasn't kind. I clearly said I'd blow up Ankara if it wasn't removed promptly. You know, angry god with about 28 PMs to work through of plans and stuff.

[michaelsmithern]

Nah, I wasn't kind. I clearly said I'd blow up Ankara if it wasn't removed promptly. You know, angry god with about 28 PMs to work through of plans and stuff.

And the lord said let Ankara be know more, and the Ottomans removed their post

[Ottovski]

Nah, I wasn't kind. I clearly said I'd blow up Ankara if it wasn't removed promptly. You know, angry god with about 28 PMs to work through of plans and stuff.
It has now truly been confirmed that God is indeed a Serb.

https://youtu.be/U-EQJA8Ahac

[Bravescot]

I'm sorry if anything got missed. As you can see this is one massive update and odds are I did miss something.

[Numitor]

You missed that Russia now controls the world ;)

[desdeasr]

Seems like the first Nation going to communism is The Netherlands.
as the current ruling party is communist.

Long live the reds.(as long as the goverment stands :P )

[eagles62973]

And the Bleeding will begin.

[Ted]

And the Bleeding will begin.

#France

[michaelsmithern]

#France

#R.I.P.Europe

[desdeasr]

And the Bleeding will begin.

Blood is Red so is my countries Goverment.

[Bravescot]

Seems like the first Nation going to communism is The Netherlands.
as the current ruling party is communist.

Long live the reds.(as long as the goverment stands :P )

Socalist, not communist.

[michaelsmithern]

Socalist, not communist.

National Socialist...hmmm kinda reminds me of some other National Socialist i know of

[desdeasr]

National Socialist...hmmm kinda reminds me of some other National Socialist i know of

I know they are not communist and call themself national socialists but this party is basicly communist. I know it as a dutch guy. Russian revolutionaries where also national socialists but where eventually called communists.
This party sdap followed Marxism ideology
Just like the communists in russia did.
They are basically communists

[Bravescot]

I know they are not communist and call themself national socialists but this party is basicly communist. I know it as a dutch guy. Russian revolutionaries where also national socialists but where eventually called communists.
This party sdap followed Marxism ideology
Just like the communists in russia did.
They are basically communists

I know it's got "socalist" in the title. Let's not rush head long into communism xD

[desdeasr]

I know it's got "socalist" in the title. Let's not rush head long into communism xD

I will follow the parties beliefs so no rush just slow changes(maybe a coup against the queen).
But we will see what time brings.
First I need to try to finish this war :P

Also in the Netherlands this party are commonly called communists because of their politics.

[DomDowg]

So far the WW1 has not been declared yet. We are just a Dane War. I am guessing Belgium and Denmark are on the Defensive side since Germany invaded them. And Netherlands looks like they got a boost of confindence.

[michaelsmithern]

So far the WW1 has not been declared yet. We are just a Dane War. I am guessing Belgium and Denmark are on the Defensive side since Germany invaded them. And Netherlands looks like they got a boost of confindence.

i believe it's more of Germany is doing a war of Submission on the Danes after the formally announced that nobody else should get involved, because of Denmark joining the war due to their secret secret hush hush alliance with Belgium, they declared on the Dutch, this in turn brought the Germans in, oh i almost forgot the French "joined" when a french vessel was assaulted by Dutch ships, but they are sticking mostly to an Embargo of the lowlands. because of Germany's declaration on the Danish, this led to the Belgians going to war with the Germans, and the French following in suit, for a completely different war. However the French have called to the Aid of it's allies, the British and Russians, so far the British have joined, and the Russians have broken a non aggresion pact. Lastly the Portuguese have joined in, i can't remember why, but i'm sure it has something to do with Britain Joining. So far the Germans are fighting to beat the Danes and are doing so in a quick fashion, this would leave just the French and British to deal with, i feel if those two fall Portugal might want out of it, as Germany would curb stomp them as well. If any other nations were to join in, it could very well turn into a world war

Did i miss anything?

[desdeasr]

So far the WW1 has not been declared yet. We are just a Dane War. I am guessing Belgium and Denmark are on the Defensive side since Germany invaded them. And Netherlands looks like they got a boost of confindence.

Actually the dutch are in a defensive war after some mistakes then denmark joined after warnings of 3 major powers to not get involved now one of this major power kept their words.(Germany) and they declared war against the "aggressor" denmark. Then the rest of the shit followed. I am surprised germany didn't call in their allies yet after being at war with multiple major powers.

[VOLCUSGAMING]

Denmark joined after warnings of 3 major powers to not get involved.


I only think I violated 2 ultimatiums. :p

Also I don't think I had violated the german ultimatium yet.

[Soulfly]

i made my first post, please be indulgent as this is my first game of BoP ever :D

[VOLCUSGAMING]

i made my first post, please be indulgent as this is my first game of BoP ever :D

I don't like the content (:p), but I think the post itself is fine. You might want to center the text itself, to make it look better. :)

[Soulfly]

good point thanks mate...the content is not negotiable ;)

[Sarado]

A disappointing declaration of war, considering it doesn't mention or take France's doing into account once.

[Bravescot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeyDfVjq6sw

[yoyo8346]

Ilya Muromets is coming...

http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2014/08/full-275-84472-ilya07.jpg

[desdeasr]

I think the war will be like this in a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbw1pGUhG7Q&index=23&list=PLlHc5zP6BMBjWNs3hHzXsZuLdAYUCqUkN

[Valdounet]

You're all so pessimistic, The war will be over by Christmas.

[VOLCUSGAMING]

You're all so pessimistic, The war will be over by Christmas.
Yes exactly, and this will be the result:5731



I think the war will be like this in a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbw1pGUhG7Q&index=23&list=PLlHc5zP6BMBjWNs3hHzXsZuLdAYUCqUkN
Awesome video, but historically that is only the price of 100 meters.
Also if there is anyone who is interested in WW1 and doesn't die from reading, I HIGHLY recommend the book called "All Quiet on the Western Front" (Im Westen nichts Neues). It was actually written by the same guy as the quote in the end of the video.

[Ted]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3i17f9IhPg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcBPz7DFQTI


No further comment needed.

[eagles62973]

A disappointing declaration of war, considering it doesn't mention or take France's doing into account once.

Sarado as we have discussed on the ooc before we don't discuss posts content, it leads to arguments and bad things. Anything that needs to be said put it on the in character.

[Sarado]

Well, I'm sorry if I broke any rules, but isn't it the entire point of this thread to discuss what's happening in the actual BoP thread OOC-ly?
Not being able to talk about what people say kind of seems counterproductive to this thread's purpose, considering the posts' contents determine the course of the game. My opinion expressed here doesn't necessarily have to go with my opinion in-character (theoretically speaking), either. Besides, making a public declaration saying 'I find this declaration of war disappointing' is kinda weak, no?

[Bravescot]

Sarado as we have discussed on the ooc before we don't discuss posts content
.....That's the whole point of the OOC thread.

[yoyo8346]

Sarado as we have discussed on the ooc before we don't discuss posts content, it leads to arguments and bad things. Anything that needs to be said put it on the in character.

Just to be clear that isn't what I was saying on my comment on page 16, if you are referring to that.


You don't need to try and justify your own in-character actions on the OOC thread as you just have, or try to incriminate other players on the OOC thread. This behavior only leads to OOC fights. If you want to justify yourself or point out mistakes in others' diplomacy, please do so in-character. I say this with good will and mean no offense.

[eagles62973]

Kinda what i meant although it is unclear if he is referring to the Russian declaration, if he is it's obvious why he didn't mention me I am his ally, if your refering to another.... Yeah I don't see another declaration.



And Ted for the war archive posts the Battle for Leige and the Advance are all under the combined casualties of ~53 and 42, thats the full months losses in both areas, it was just a highlight of a slaughter that happened.

[Bravescot]

Unt here comes Italy! "Don't be upsetti! Have some Spaghetti" shall be their War cry.

[VOLCUSGAMING]

I have a question, how long (OOC) is an ingame month? I have seen one that was 2 days, and another that took 8 days, so what is the goal?

[michaelsmithern]

I have a question, how long (OOC) is an ingame month? I have seen one that was 2 days, and another that took 8 days, so what is the goal?

I think Roy Boy, takes it one of two ways, either each player has put some sort of input in early, or he waits a week or so then puts another one out, just to keep things rolling.

[VOLCUSGAMING]

I think Roy Boy, takes it one of two ways, either each player has put some sort of input in early, or he waits a week or so then puts another one out, just to keep things rolling.

Okay, thanks.

[Numitor]

Roy Boy

[michaelsmithern]

Roy Boy

How to get your country nuked 101

[Kyle422]

May I ask that the BOP gets put on hold for a few days my hardrive stopped working and I have no PC at the moment. I am going to pick one up soon and should have my PC running by mid this coming week.

Thanks Kyle

[Bravescot]

May I ask that the BOP gets put on hold for a few days my hardrive stopped working and I have no PC at the moment. I am going to pick one up soon and should have my PC running by mid this coming week.

Thanks Kyle

If everyone is okay with this?

[michaelsmithern]

If everyone is okay with this?

i'm fine with it

[yoyo8346]

If everyone is okay with this?

No objection.

[Numitor]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/30/14/35C9AD8100000578-3667160-The_parliament_meets_once_or_twice_a_year_to_forma lly_approve_bu-m-59_1467293898849.jpg

Fine with me.

[VOLCUSGAMING]

If everyone is okay with this?
I'm fine with that.

[eagles62973]

Good with me

[Sarado]

Sure thing.

[Soulfly]

Sure :)

[crazychester1247]

If everyone is okay with this?

I'm okay with it.

[Ottovski]

I'm okay with it too.

[Kyle422]

Thanks guys I appreciate it I have some catching up to do on the forums

- kyle

[Bravescot]

By popular vote the UK is being replace. We bid fair well to the DomDowg and hello to DoctorWarband! I will be permitting him to make one post.

[DoctorWarband]

Hello, I am the new noob

[Sarado]

Welcome to the fray.

[DoctorWarband]

Oh, you better believe it.

[Valdounet]

My oh my, was a pleasure to work with you in the last BoP Doctor nice to see you on this one too.

[DoctorWarband]

Likewise! (new phone who dat)

[Bravescot]

wow wow wow. Game's on pause. I let Doctor be the only one to make a post.

[crazychester1247]

wow wow wow. Game's on pause. I let Doctor be the only one to make a post.

Opps! Didn't know that was in effect yet.
Edit: I deleted it.

[VOLCUSGAMING]

wow wow wow. Game's on pause. I let Doctor be the only one to make a post.

So DomDowg isn't in the game anymore?

[DoctorWarband]

Guess not.

[crazychester1247]

Hey BraveScot, I play a lot of tabletop RPG's and I've been thinking of running my own BoP game with some friends. But I couldn't find the rules anywhere. Could you please send me a link if it wouldn't cause any problems?

[Bravescot]

Hey BraveScot, I play a lot of tabletop RPG's and I've been thinking of running my own BoP game with some friends. But I couldn't find the rules anywhere. Could you please send me a link if it wouldn't cause any problems?

I'd be lying if I said a lot of this isn't improvied on the fly. I have a number of base things I take into account in all engagements but depending on what plans you sent, the complexity etc. you have to be able to evolve to the players instead of being sat on your ass.

[michaelsmithern]

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder480/500x/76645480/take-it-easy-man-ww1-starting-in-europe-woah-just-take-it-easy-man.jpg

[crazychester1247]

I'd be lying if I said a lot of this isn't improvied on the fly. I have a number of base things I take into account in all engagements but depending on what plans you sent, the complexity etc. you have to be able to evolve to the players instead of being sat on your ass.

I've been a dungeon maser a few times before Brave. I know improvising to suit the players actions is important.

[Bravescot]

I've been a dungeon maser a few times before Brave. I know improvising to suit the players actions is important.

Also there are no set rules. Each game has differnt rules, roles, modifiers etc. So I'm sorry to day but there is nothing I can give you.

[Soulfly]

Short notice: I will be absent from April 21 to April 30, not being able to read the forums

[Sarado]

Same, from April 24th to April 28th. I might be able to read the forums, but won't be able to actually do anything BoP-related.

[Bravescot]

I think that since it's been 5 days on hold for A-H I'm going to unpausing the main thread. Go nuts lads!

[michaelsmithern]

http://i.imgur.com/ORMcH73.png
"دولت ابد مدت"

Sultan Mehmed V "Goes Nuts"
following a message from the Game Moderator, the sultan has decided to officially go nuts


P.S. this is joke

[Ted]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfSjs_6MZOQ

Denmark is a disease.

[DoctorWarband]

Someone post please so I could as well, thanks.

[VOLCUSGAMING]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfSjs_6MZOQ

Denmark is a disease.
No no no, we aren't the disease, where the doctors. :)
But if you are relly sick you can have this:

5787





To everyone reading this: This is meant as a joke.

[Theodore]

Dear Ted,

https://i.imgur.com/4BGI4O9.jpg

With love,

King Christmas Carol I

[yoyo8346]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/8d/bb/14/8dbb1433a6b8cb39a86e2b2769058d60.jpg

[Kyle422]

I'm still with out a PC can't do much at this said point in time. It most likely will be another week till I have a PC (yes I'm going with a Gtx 1080 Ti) this time. I ask that you guys take things easy for a bit.


P.S don't wake the sleeping giant while I'm gone. Remember I have millions of troops and I am ready to fuck shit up. Just a thought ;)

[DomDowg]

Bravescot can I be put on a waiting list

[Bravescot]

Got to say I am really proud of this update. Particullary the Battle of Jutland. That took me way too long to write.


I'm still with out a PC can't do much at this said point in time. It most likely will be another week till I have a PC (yes I'm going with a Gtx 1080 Ti) this time. I ask that you guys take things easy for a bit.
P.S don't wake the sleeping giant while I'm gone. Remember I have millions of troops and I am ready to fuck shit up. Just a thought ;)
Noted

Bravescot can I be put on a waiting list
Due to the manner of you departing us it will need a majority vote.

[yoyo8346]

Bravescot can I be put on a waiting list


Due to the manner of you departing us it will need a majority vote.

I would support DomDowg coming back as a minor power.

[eagles62973]

im good with a minor

[DoctorWarband]

im good with a minor

^^^

[Kyle422]

Good with him coming back

[michaelsmithern]

if he returns it's not biggie to me

[crazychester1247]

I'm fine with it.

[Valdounet]

If Austria Hungary is a sleeping giant then its a sleeping giant thats only just being held together by tons of well applied tape.

[DoctorWarband]

I feel like the Austria Hungary post was a bit of Metagaming.

That's none of my business though.

[Ted]

I'm writing on behalf of the Triple Alliance and a few others here as we would like to bring forward our recent concerns on how this game is being run right now. After having talked to multiple people (which will bring forward their concerns individually as well), we decided to put it to the public here to avoid any argument starting due to further backdoor-Player-Gamemaster interaction via steam on the matter.

Loosing battles is something rather normal that occurs during a war and that's not why we would like to bring forward these concerns. The thing that is baffling us is the ignorance of orders and plans that we've seen recently. We totally understand that one might miss orders when one has to read dozens of PMs, but if it happens over and over again we simply can't restrain from asking what the point of orders and plans is then.



- Both Italian and Austrian naval orders which could have turned the tide of war to our favor were blatantly ignored in the second-last update. BS apologised as he missed them and we were totally fine with that, asking him to execute the orders with the next update. This didn't really happen in the last update as the main targets of our orders were not attacked due to them being not at the same place anymore as time had passed on (I can not go into further detail here to avoid a spoiler. I might release it if needed.)

- In the second-last update, my troops were put to hold against my orders without any further comment - again BS apologised, I was fine with that. If you look at what the Russians just did in the east while being opposed one can only wonder how German troops failed to come anywhere near such gains while being unopposed, but well.


If time and supplies allow to advance even further, troops will approach Kopenhagen.


- The German navy was ordered to bombard Kopenhagen ages before the second-last update was released. This didn't happen because BS had missed it, he apologised - well, it happened in the last update although too late to make any change and therefore making the whole action utterly pointless.


Even the massive Kaiserliche Marine roving the seas found nothing to do.


- Romania declined to support Germany with troops, Romanian troops should therefore never have entered Germany - how did they manage to simply march through Germany and Austria-Hungary then without any kind of official agreement or anything? It was even assured that Romanians must not march through Austro-Hungarian territory nor German territory via PM at a later point. The Romanians still marched through both countries unchallenged without any kind of reasonable excuse.


Due to prospective threats in the south, Romania respectfully declines. The Romanian government is fully aware of Germany's situation; unfortunately, His Kingness has found fit to decline Germany's call to arms to the benefit of domestic security.

As a result the Romanian troops, carrying orders summoning them to Germany, were able to use the rail networks of both Austria-Hungary and Germany to reach the city. [....] By marching in neat order singing songs they attracted a lot of attention from the civilian population, but none from local garrison forces.

Ummmmm......




I highly appreciate your efforts when it comes to writing detailed events, but I think we can all agree that it would be better for everyone of us if the updates were maybe less detailed but included all the given orders.

[Sarado]

I do have to add that it's a bit illogical to me that, when I move around my armies within my own country, Russia notices, but neither Germany nor Austria-Hungary notices foreign armies using their railway systems?
Just to throw in that thought.

EDIT: I'm also fine with Dom returning.

[Bravescot]

Matter with Ted has been cleared up.

Kyle..........how many times must I state that personal events are against the rules

[Kyle422]

Matter with Ted has been cleared up.

Kyle..........how many times must I state that personal events are against the rules



I'll edit my post if needed I kinda got a little upset when my whole country is on lock down and there are a LOT of things Romainian troops would have to go through to get to Germany. I stated in a forum post my country was on lock down. But yeah I did take it a littler personal

[eagles62973]

Just because it was on lock down doesn't mean anything, they had orders summoning them to Germany, to any checkpoint guards it would look like friendly troops moving into help you, unless you specifically stated that "Romanians not welcome" there is nothing to support the oh i was locked down, even if you were they would still be allowed through.

[Kyle422]

Just because it was on lock down doesn't mean anything, they had orders summoning them to Germany, to any checkpoint guards it would look like friendly troops moving into help you, unless you specifically stated that "Romanians not welcome" there is nothing to support the oh i was locked down, even if you were they would still be allowed through.

You don't understand I said my country was on lock down and no one was allowed to cross into my territories without my say so. So where is that at?? It's total crap. Even Ted himself stated that they should not be in Germany. Plus my borders guards were told to SHOOT ANYONE WHO DOESNT HAVE THE AUSTIRAN-HUNGARIAN SEAL directly from the emperor and even friendly troops would have to get my approval to go across my land and unless they send a direct telegraph or telegram to my emperor or department of transportation. Which would still need the emperors aproval they should not be there. On top of that I have a BUNCH OF DEFENSES and the old border crossings are no longer there so unless they some how got through millions of MINES WHICH I Set in place a long time ago magically unhurt they shouldn't be there only I know where it's safe to cross

I'm not being hostile by the way so please don't take this as that.

[Bravescot]

http://i.imgur.com/kIye1DY.png
"Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter"

Franz Joseph I has declared that any ally to member nations of the Triple Alliance may consider themselves friends to the Austrian-Hungarian Empire!


The Austrian-Hungarian Empire and Swiss Confederacy have signed a non-aggression treaty.

The Austrian-Hungarian Empire and Ottoman Empire have signed a temporary alliance agreement in response to the growing tensions in the Balkans.

Franz Joseph I requests to send military observers to Italy and Germany

The Emperor Franz Joseph requests that her great allies, the German Empire and Kingdom of Italy, allow military commanders from his Imperial forces to observe military tactics and possibly discuss arms agreements to better equip each others armies and get a better understanding how each army functions as a whole.

Austria Hungry begins enacts full mobilization

Due to the build up of forces on the eastern side of Europe and a possible threat arising on the West, we also hope that Germany will start supplying us with more efficient arms or allow us to "copy" some of their great weapons that they are currently developing.

Chief of Staff, Count Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf, has ordered the mobilization of imperial forces to the Serbian and Montenegrin boarder sighting rising tensions in the region for the deployment of troops.

http://i.imgur.com/Vz2rElv.png


http://i.imgur.com/kIye1DY.png
"Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter"

Franz Joseph I sends his condolences to both Romania and Bulgaria


The Austrian-Hungarian Empire also offers to send a special detective team to help catch these culprits.


The Austrian-Hungarian Empire States that all railroads and engines are to be updated, so that troop movements are easier to make within the country and also offers any of its allies who wishes to do so connect their railroads to the Austria-Hungarian Empires railroad systems.

Franz Joseph I in response to the the increased military actions near the Romanian border of the Empire of Austria-Hungary. Mobilizing Feldmarschall Franz Xaver Joseph Conrad Graf von Hötzendorfs 1st and 2nd armies to patrol the borders of Romania


http://imgur.com/7xxU6uB.png


http://i.imgur.com/kIye1DY.png
"Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter"

The Austrian-Hungarian Empire Orders both armies sent the to the Romanian border to return to its capital except for a detachment to act as border guards


The Austrian-Hungarian Empire offers the Kingdom of Romania a Defensive treaty should war break out in the Balkans


http://i.imgur.com/kIye1DY.png
"Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter"

The Austrian-Hungarian Empire has signed an arms agreement with the German Empire

The Austrian-Hungarian Empire replaces its out dated artillery with modern German made heavy artillery and starts to receive shipments of small arms


The Austrian-Hungarian Empire and the German Empire Signed an agreement to Connect our railroad systems making transport between countries easier

The Austrian-Hungarian Empire is honored that the Ottoman Empire would invite its Leader Franz Joseph I to Ankara
But due to security concerns and the given tension in the Balkans we will be sending an ambassador in his absence

Franz Joseph I is reaching out to his allies at the moment about increased tension action in the Balkans
Let it be known that the Austrian-Hungarian Empire does not wish to go to war with Bulgaria but should Bulgaria attack the Ottomans in accord to our alliance I will whole hardheartedly step in and keep its end of the Alliance. As there is a larger threat lurking in the Balkans then dealing with these countries pettiness.


http://i.imgur.com/kIye1DY.png
"Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter"

The Austrian-Hungarian Empire announces that its emperor Franz Joseph I and Archduke Franz Ferdinand will be attending the coronation of the Albanian King. Though wary of the bombings he will be sending a large guard escort with with the emperor and Archduke.


http://i.imgur.com/kIye1DY.png
"Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter"

Franz Joseph I Emperor of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire sends his condolences to Belgium The Austrian-Hungarian empire will be sending representatives bearing gifts to the Kingdom of Belgium to attend the funeral of the late King Albert. to show good faith that peace be kept in the Balkans

The Austrian-Hungarian Empire announces that it no longer sees fit to keep the TEMPORARY alliance with the Ottoman empire

Franz Joseph I is in agreement with the Kaiser of Germany that should anyone step foot on foreign soil as the aggressor that she too should find Austria-Hungary at their door step.



http://i.imgur.com/kIye1DY.png
"Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter"

Franz joseph I horrified at the events that have happened before before him. Wondering how the hell Romanian troops got to Germany in the FIRST PLACE considering how my country is on such a tight LOCK DOWN.

As dawn begins to break on September 2nd 1914 nervous and the unprepared Romanian troops hear the distinct sounds of 7.58cm and 240mm trench mortars firing over the border along with 10.5cm,15CM and the new 240mm long range artillary guns. The Germans made planes start to fly over marked with Austria-Hungarian insignia as they are in search of soft targets strafe, as well as other planes to shoot down. Romainia finds at its border what is estimated to be over 1.5million men in blue and tan uniforms assulting across the terrain as the walking barrages of artillary and maximum machinegun fire are heard from
The GERMAN built 08 machine guns. ROMAINA has awoken the sleeping giant and he's going right for the throat


The Austrian-Hungarian empire has launched it's first offensive by surprise and without warning

Emperor Joesph I of Austria-Hungary sends this ultimatum to the Romanian King release the captured prisoners unharmed and surrender your troops in Berlin or I will march on your capital and burn it to the ground

THE AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN EMPEROR WILL HAVE THE ROMAINIAN KINGS HEAD ON A PIKE IF HE DOES NOT COMPLY

These are all you in game posts, and in none of your PMs are there any orders of a lock down.

[Kyle422]

Well then I apologize but even so I've stated I had heavily fortified trench lines from my north eastern border and my southern border so no one could get through those as there is barbed wire after barbed wire and let's no forget about the other goodies I PMed you about. So in reality that could be considered on lock down. Also I will delete my post about Romania since it's against the rules if need I'm fine with that or if you wish to pennalize me cause I wasn't playing fair then that's fine. Though I did set the ball for me though you could still roll the dice and see if my attack as successful or not.

P.S please excuse my grammar it's very hard to do this on a small phone screen

[yoyo8346]

Well then I apologize but even so I've stated I had heavily fortified trench lines from my north eastern border and my southern border so no one could get though those as there are barbed wire after barbed wire

The update says the Divizia Usora used trains to get to Berlin, so unless you tore up train tracks, trenches and barbed wire wouldn't really have any affect. I don't know the ins and outs of this case, but I would imagine that unless you gave specific orders to forcibly halt any and all cargo trains passing through your entire empire, the troops would get through. That's just what I've come to with the information I have.

[Kyle422]

The update says the Divizia Usora used trains to get to Berlin, so unless you tore up train tracks, trenches and barbed wire wouldn't really have any affect. I don't know the ins and outs of this case, but I would imagine that unless you gave specific orders to forcibly halt any and all cargo trains passing through your entire empire, the troops would get through. That's just what I've come to with the information I have.

I stated that I have a special railway police and that my railways are to be used for my war machine. Even so they still would need the proper papers to get through my empire and my railway police and under orders to shoot anyone who doesn't have authorized access or papers right on the spot no questions asked

[Ottovski]

https://i.gyazo.com/7c5400f8bc49b8da6f831058b9e260e1.png
https://i.gyazo.com/2dbcea0a0929de21ea4bcbd16920f3cc.png

[eagles62973]

You see how fabulous with the moustache and Medals? How you know think? He so Doge.

[michaelsmithern]

https://i.gyazo.com/7c5400f8bc49b8da6f831058b9e260e1.png
https://i.gyazo.com/2dbcea0a0929de21ea4bcbd16920f3cc.png


Your leader is just a little fruity, maybe that's why him and the ottomans can't get along.

[JaegerCoyote]

https://i.gyazo.com/7c5400f8bc49b8da6f831058b9e260e1.png
https://i.gyazo.com/2dbcea0a0929de21ea4bcbd16920f3cc.png


He was bisexual,apparently

[desdeasr]

Ehm bravescot my ships had clear orders at previous update and the update just ignored my orders as they past the blockade that went against my orders.


The orders:
The navy has been ordered to Keep hunting and destroying The Belgian and Danish ships on our side of the Blockade.

So honestly I find some huge bs going on. So honestly I request that this navy battle is voided because it would mean they went to hunt down ships outside the blockade against my orders. That is just bs as I never ordered to pass the blockade at all. Even ordered to not pass it.

So honestly if it was within my orders then I wouldn't give a shit. But since this completely goes against my orders it is a diffrent story.

[Bravescot]

Hard to stay on your side of the blockade when the French have lifted the blockade in order to go fight at the Battle of Jutland.

[desdeasr]

Hard to stay on your side of the blockade when the French have lifted the blockade in order to go fight at the Battle of Jutland.


The Marine nationale let them past without incident,
^^ if they lifted the blockade how would they let me pass then without having a blockade?
Also the blockade never officaly ended for me so orders were clear
As I never got informed the French ships have left so I could not assume blockade was gone

[yoyo8346]

Desdeasr, you should probably privately contact bravescot if you have a problem. Instead, you're going around to players privately and trying to convince them he is cheating, and then accusing him of "bullshitting" you. You've made yourself look foolish.

[desdeasr]

Desdeasr, you should probably privately contact bravescot if you have a problem. Instead, you're going around to players privately and trying to convince them he is cheating, and then accusing him of "bullshitting" you. You've made yourself look foolish.

I only talked to you and making myself foolish? is it my fault he doesn't inform about critical things Like a whole French fleet disapearing from my shore? You can ask anyone else if I talked to them and they will say no. Although some people may share the same opinion as me.

and after that sends my ships to chase yours while I didn't know about a lifted blockade. That would make me have changed my orders in the first place if I only was informed.

And now bravescot removed me because I gave my opinion. That is his choice of course.
And yeah I used some wrong words that made me seem like I was toxic I should have used other words.
I am not the only one with complains. I give my opinion but with other words then the rest and get removed because the one guy I talked to sends these messages to bravescot where I "Accuse" him of cheating.

Let me make things very clear with you. I have now seen the messages you've been sending people on steam accusing me of cheating and I will not stand for such petty behaviour. This game can be very brutal in regards to how the dice roll and if you're going to accuse me of taking sides then you are not fit to play in this game. You are there for being relieved of the position of the Netherlands and someone who is more understanding will be replacing you soon enough.

Not to say Yoyo here the only guy I talked with was convincing people that someone was incompotent as the UK. And what I do is wrong? That is just Petty.

And if you still Decide to replace me replace me for Domdowg since he deserves to be back in the game after Someone convinced a majority to remove Domdowg from the game in the first place.

[yoyo8346]

Not to say Yoyo here the only guy I talked with was convincing people that someone was incompotent as the UK. And what I do is wrong? That is just Petty. And if you still Decide to replace me replace me for Domdowg since he deserves to be back in the game after Someone convinced a majority to remove Domdowg from the game in the first place.

I have nothing against DomDowg.

Some people just don't have the RP skills to play major powers, let alone one of the most important countries in the game. I was told that if the majority of players agreed, DomDowg would be removed from great Britain, and replaced by a person of Bravescot's choice. The petition was only held because Bravescot allowed it to be held, so I did nothing deceitful. I would be happy to give Dom a second chance in the game as a minor power, which is what many other people said a few pages ago. Stop trying to drag me down with you. It's not working.

[desdeasr]

Although you certainly wanted me removed with giving bravescot those messages. although it is your own choice and I have used wrong words in that conversation. And if I wanted to drag you along with me I couldn't since I have nothing to use against you compared to what you used against me to get me removed.

And I got blamed for "sending people messages on steam accusing me of cheating and I will not stand for such petty behaviour " by bravescot. Although I had only talked to you and asked your opinion and giving mine Although I never said he was actually cheating.
But meh so be it if I am removed I am removed.

[DomDowg]

I only talked to you and making myself foolish? is it my fault he doesn't inform about critical things Like a whole French fleet disapearing from my shore? You can ask anyone else if I talked to them and they will say no. Although some people may share the same opinion as me.

and after that sends my ships to chase yours while I didn't know about a lifted blockade. That would make me have changed my orders in the first place if I only was informed.

And now bravescot removed me because I gave my opinion. That is his choice of course.
And yeah I used some wrong words that made me seem like I was toxic I should have used other words.
I am not the only one with complains. I give my opinion but with other words then the rest and get removed because the one guy I talked to sends these messages to bravescot where I "Accuse" him of cheating.


Not to say Yoyo here the only guy I talked with was convincing people that someone was incompotent as the UK. And what I do is wrong? That is just Petty.

And if you still Decide to replace me replace me for Domdowg since he deserves to be back in the game after Someone convinced a majority to remove Domdowg from the game in the first place.

Hey man I did not do so well as the UK because in the only other BoP game I have done my plans did not have to be as detailed. I just wasn't ready for a higher level BoP then what I have done previously. So UK was not a good pick but I found out too late and deserved to be replaced with someone who could kick butt and chew bubble gum. I would like to come back as a minor when one opens up. I do not support anyone being removed. I will join if someone steps down or is replaced due to inactivity or if Bravescot says a spot is open. Besides it is just a forum game do not get so heated. Also please don't use me as a arguing chip, I don't wanna get dragged into anything. I did nothing horribly wrong as the UK and I just wasn't up too par so to speak. For you to even drag me in to tarnish yoyo disgusts me. Come on grow up.

[desdeasr]

Hey man I did not do so well as the UK because in the only other BoP game I have done my plans did not have to be as detailed. I just wasn't ready for a higher level BoP then what I have done previously. So UK was not a good pick but I found out too late and deserved to be replaced with someone who could kick butt and chew bubble gum. I would like to come back as a minor when one opens up. I do not support anyone being removed. I will join if someone steps down or is replaced due to inactivity or if Bravescot says a spot is open. Besides it is just a forum game do not get so heated. Also please don't use me as a arguing chip, I don't wanna get dragged into anything. I did nothing horribly wrong as the UK and I just wasn't up too par so to speak. For you to even drag me in to tarnish yoyo disgusts me. Come on grow up.

Na I just said you deserve the spot as netherlands since I have been removed for accusing bravescot of cheating or whatever. Although talking to him clearing the situation up would have been a more mature action of me then talking to this one guy who now had me removed because I said some wrong words.(not to say it was like 30 min after that update that I typed to him so yeah was still pretty pissed about losing whole my fleet.) And now I wanted some information why they ignored an order and got removed for asking a simple question. But hey bravescot is the gamemaster and he is allowed to. Although I am currently still trying to talk to bravescot about this but it seems he is busy.

And for many people it is their first bop including me. I am currently mostly angry that I have been removed for something I wrote almost 5 days ago and it is not angry At bravescot its on myself for even sending those messages to yoyo in the first place. As he seemed eager to save those messages to eventually get me removed later. So of course you can blame me for my initial rage and talking about this to one person. But is it really a reason to remove someone from the game? You can ask all other players if I talked to them they will say no. I don't even have most of them on steam. I only have 2 others then yoyo and they are guys I game with for years didn't send them these messages at all. I thought lets talk to my opponent to see what he thinks that stupidity got me removed.

[eagles62973]

Dude considering you have continued to act immature and toxic in a forum game that has no real effect on life shows you are not capable of playing with us in a mature manner. Whatever motives that may have been involved the fact that you have acted this way in response shows it was the correct move. If you noticed ( and sorry Domdowg for invoking your name) Domdowg when voted off did not rage and flame and start a war he said ok, thanks for letting me play see you around. Because of that MATURITY he was invited back not anything else. You got replaced for taking a grievance outside of the proper channel. If you had a problem with your boss at work you would not bash him with your co-workers or the public you would talk to him. If you had maturely talked to Brave I'm sure he would have acted different. Instead you accused him of cheating (which btw I unabashedly tried to get info out of and he informed me if i asked again I would be removed) and not to him but to another player which is rightly construed as you trying to cause problems. You handled this poorly and need to let it go because it is bringing down the rest of us that can still play with the drama
Please for the benefit of all let it go.

[Comrade]

Just making a post here to see if I can be added to the waiting list for any nations that may come up in the future, thanks.

[desdeasr]

Dude considering you have continued to act immature and toxic in a forum game that has no real effect on life shows you are not capable of playing with us in a mature manner.
Continued to act immature and toxic? So explain me exactly where and how so I can explain myself on that behaviour. Or excuse myself for using wrong words that make myself look toxic. Because I really ain't it may just seem like it because it is forums or whatever and I tend to use wrong words.

If you had maturely talked to Brave I'm sure he would have acted different. Instead you accused him of cheating
Actually like I said those messages I send were 30 min after that update. After that I realised that I was wrong but why would I type that to yoyo.

And I should have talked to bravescot that was a fault on my behalf. Although I am currently trying to clear out things with him and awaiting a response.


Domdowg when voted off did not rage and flame and start a war he said ok,
True although people respond different. My "immature actions" were asking the opinion of one player. I also asked bravescot if he could give the messages here because I do not have them stored myself unlike another person, I actually waited with talking to bravescot. Should have asked him the question in pm instead of posting it here. But if we can't ask normal questions here that may enlighten how things exactly happen why is there this topic then.

I got nothing against you or bravescot or any other bop player. I just need to know some details. Because I like to have information about how exactly things happend so I can understand it better. I am not a type of person that rages or is toxic(I have some moments but everyone has)
So like I said before it was my own stupidity but calling me toxic and immature is not really nice. I may be at some points toxic but immature I am not very often. I try to talk to people get reasons and get clarification so I can understand exactly why and try to not do it the next time.

And to your last part of the message I will let it go after I have talked it out like mature people do. If I talked it out I will let it go with pleasure removed or not.

Anyways this will be my last message here for now because the drama I am causing. So yeah have a nice time playing bop. I hope me and bravescot can talk it out.

[Numitor]

Lads, all of this should be sorted out in private and not on this thread. This argument doesn't add anything constructive and is boring by now as well.

[GeorgeCrecy]

How most everyone is like rn:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzdUlmtcK1g11VfO/giphy.gif

[Bravescot]

Just making a post here to see if I can be added to the waiting list for any nations that may come up in the future, thanks.
Sure thing. I'll be in touch with you asap.

How most everyone is like rn:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzdUlmtcK1g11VfO/giphy.gif
Blazing saddles, classic!

[eagles62973]

"You need a forum mod badge to deal with trolls."

"Badges.... We don't need no stinkin badges!"

[Johnnyboy]

Sure thing. I'll be in touch with you asap.

He could play as Montenegro, you know that small country near Serbia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire

[Bravescot]

He could play as Montenegro, you know that small country near Serbia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire

Montenegro is currently taken. However if he, plus Switzerland, remain inactive they will be replaced.

[VOLCUSGAMING]

Montenegro is currently taken. However,if he, plus Switzerland, remain inactive they will be replaced.

What about Luxembourg? :p GO LUXEMBOURG!!!

[DoctorWarband]

Acheter, got a problem mate?

[Kyle422]

I'd much rather play as MURICA ��

[Soulfly]

Acheter, got a problem mate?

Acheter is a bot, dont expect an answer ;)

[DoctorWarband]

Acheter is a bot, dont expect an answer ;)

Erm, I knew that.

[VOLCUSGAMING]

:confused:???What's that last post???:confused:
http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?3550-BoP-Europe-1914/page17

[Soulfly]

its a bot, dont mind it

[VOLCUSGAMING]

its a bot, dont mind it

Ok.

[Popydude]

I would like to play, some friends told me about it and it sounds fun

[Ottovski]

Very interesting: http://www.nerdtests.com/mq/uttake.php?id=101429

[VOLCUSGAMING]

I survived! Yay!!!! :D

[Bravescot]

I would like to play, some friends told me about it and it sounds fun

I'll send you a list of possible nations Popy.

As you can tell things have been on hold unoffically due to Ted needing to step away for his Finals. Terrible timing. Sarado will be stepping up to take on the responsibilities of Germany and will there for need some time to get his info in order and look to begin issuing orders. We can all understand Germany is in a real pinch and that him stepping up is a damn brave move.

[michaelsmithern]

I'll send you a list of possible nations Popy.

As you can tell things have been on hold unoffically due to Ted needing to step away for his Finals. Terrible timing. Sarado will be stepping up to take on the responsibilities of Germany and will there for need some time to get his info in order and look to begin issuing orders. We can all understand Germany is in a real pinch and that him stepping up is a damn brave move.

This happened? i go away for one weekend due to a death in the family and all of a sudden ted's gone(for a short time) Sweden is Germany(until ted gets back???) and i've lost my left shoe.

[DoctorWarband]

I don't think you losing a shoe has anything to do with it.

[Bravescot]

Welcome to Popydude as Switzerland and Mildras as Sweden!

[Mildras]

Hello guys I will then take over as Sweden. I hope for us to have a nice game.

I should warn you that I have not done a forum RP game in many years so get angry if I break protocol.

[michaelsmithern]

Sorry about a second post on the same update, i felt that if i update my first post it wouldn't get looked at, or overlooked.

[Bravescot]

Sorry about a second post on the same update, i felt that if i update my first post it wouldn't get looked at, or overlooked.

2nd posts per update are fine. You can post as many times as you wish per update within reason.

[crazychester1247]

http://i.imgur.com/1JAmDLw.jpg


jk

[DoctorWarband]

http://i.imgur.com/1JAmDLw.jpg

Shut up you mansplainer.

[michaelsmithern]

When your buddies all giving women the right to vote and work and you sittin there like "Come on guys i just gave the armenians the right to get citizenship, your asking to much"

[Bravescot]

I'll begin writing the update tomorrow and will now be accpeting any new plans at 00:00. Any new plans will be counted as being a part of next update.

[michaelsmithern]

alright so Numitors post got me thinking, Since romania isn't part of either the Entente or Triple Alliance, or any other major Alliances(Sevastapol and whatnot) would this not mean they aren't tied to the peace deal of any of the major alliances. and would this not mean Romania could in a sense be annexed seperately, due to such a thing?

P.S. please do not take this out of context
key examples would be "did the ottoman empire just say he wants to annex Romania"

I've got enough problems with the Balkans as is

[yoyo8346]

Romania could choose to either make peace at the same time as the Entente or not. It's up to Theodore.

[eagles62973]

In a sense yes. Because they dont have our support. The Romanian population could call for surrender sooner. Or fight all thhe harder and form a government in exile and an organized resistance. Ie Spain in the Penisular war. It can go either way but to say the major powers wont have a say is ludicrous. AH wont be able to just annex them. And Romania cant just stay at war til we finish our peacr to annex the remainder of AH or Germany. Its not hoi or eu other nations do have a say in any peace deals. How much of a say is usually dependent on size and purpose.

[Bravescot]

Just to say lads this is another biblical update as a lot of you sent some great plans that I'm going through to make sure I get everything correct. I don't want to upset anyone with any errors which I take full responsibility for (such as the forgetting of the important submarine actions for the Triple Alliance and the forgetting of almost a whole French Army). Please bear with me as I get it all written up for you guys to enjoy. I love how much effort you're all putting into this and I will do my damn best to honour that effort with my own effort!

In regards to Romanian they are a part of the Great European War and are "technically" on the side of the Entente and Co. but they are not a part of either the Entente, Treaty of Savastapol or allied to any nations in those two groups. This is also the same with the Ottoman Empire actually.

[Sarado]

And Romania cant just stay at war til we finish our peacr to annex the remainder of AH or Germany..

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/143461/brick-tamland-o.gif

[Numitor]

I think technically the conflict of Germany, Austria-Hungary vs. Romania is entirely separate from the Entente, Treaty of Sevastopol vs Triple Alliance one. Romania is not on the side of anyone in this conflict other than their own.
They stand alone against their enemies and I think it should be treated as such.
When it comes to making peace it obviously depends on what the outcome of the war is.
If the Triple Alliance is triumphant the Romanians will have to see how they get on by themselves just like everybody else.
If the Entente etc. wins and the result is an uncoditional surrender of the Triple Alliance then the conflict between Germany and Romania might be resolves as part of the peace treaty or, if Romania should decide to simply not accept the proposed peace deals, the conflict will continue.
Theoretically they could then just march into Austria-Hungary and occupy what they can but will then have to face the reaction of the other European powers.
If the Entente etc. and the Triple Alliance make a simple peace with concessions on either side then once again Romania will have to deal with the situation itself since it is not bound by an alliance and can therefore only negotiate for itself. (Romania is also the only nation that can negotiate for Romania. Nobody else may do so as long as Romania is a sovereign state.)
Of course the Entente etc. doesn't have to make peace together as every belligerent nation might decide that a separate peace deal is more beneficial.

Ultimately nobody can make peace for you unless you agree to it.
And just because you are at war with a nation that already is part of a war doesn't mean that wars "merge" unless Allies and Enemies are the same as in the already existing war.

[Ottovski]

I'm Indy Neidell, welcome to the Great European War.

[Sarado]

Aaaaaaand there goes Denmark. One gone, 11 more to go.

takes a glance at Belgium

[yoyo8346]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b6/e9/12/b6e9124f9a159ba5be0f7de236e91aaa.jpg

[VOLCUSGAMING]

Aaaaaaand there goes Denmark. One gone, 11 more to go.

Don't worry, I'm not gone. My army is......stumpled upon a minor issue. :p BUT Denmark has not fallen.

[Ted]

Don't worry, I'm not gone. My army is......stumpled upon a minor issue. :p BUT Denmark has not fallen.

I've never ever seen anyone capable of sugarcoating his own situation to himself like that. You should have surrendered three months ago, instead your royal family abandoned the country the moment foreigners marched in and refused to sign peace for months, resulting in the death of tens of thousands.

What do you think will the Danish greet you with if you ever dare to come back? Salutes or a lynchmob? I guess it would rather be sharp axes, heads, spikes on the bridge.

Well, besides that, good war.


These Romanians though.... well, I suppose they will have a hard time in the future. Cheers on that update Bravescot, I can only imagine the insane amount of work!

[Bravescot]

Ted you're out of the game. Please refrain from criticising the players' actions in such a manner. By all means comment on the update but not in such a harsh and rude tone.

[Ted]

Ted you're out of the game. Please refrain from criticising the players' actions in such a manner. By all means comment on the update but not in such a harsh and rude tone.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE3Ak1av6_0

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

Ah well it was definitely not meant to sound rude (not a native speaker :p ), my apologies.

[michaelsmithern]

I suppose Ted could join in as Monte Negro, nobody is listed on the roster as that nation... unless it just hasn't been updated, then i'm wrong

[Soulfly]

Is Portugal actually active ?

[Bravescot]

Is Portugal actually active ?

I'm going to be making Portugal and Greece free.

[Ted]

I would actually like to join in as one of these nations (not as much work as Germany), but I suppose people would start shouting at me as soon as I signed peace with Germany, no matter how good the reasons :p

[Sarado]

Well, the Netherlands are also free. I don't know enough about Greece's or Portugal's history to argue whether it would make sense or not, so, but considering Greece never gave an explanation for the entry into the war...

[Numitor]

Greece's (perfectly valid) reason for joining the war is it's membership in the Treaty of Sevastopol.

[crazychester1247]

Well, the Netherlands are also free. I don't know enough about Greece's or Portugal's history to argue whether it would make sense or not, so, but considering Greece never gave an explanation for the entry into the war...

Grecce is part or the Sevastopol Treaty.

[Sarado]

The members of which never have stated their motives for their declarations other than dancing to Russia's flute, which in 1 case completely contradicted the current rulership situation.

[crazychester1247]

The members of which never have stated their motives for their declarations other than dancing to Russia's flute, which in 1 case completely contradicted the current rulership situation.

There were behind closed doors negotiations that I can't talk about further that would contradict your statement. The Greek government is completely supportive of the war effort. Not to mention they're already at war with germany and theirs no changing that now.

[Sarado]

Motives named to one's allies behind closed doors is far from being the same as publicly announced reasons, so unless the Balkans ever choose to name their motivations, my point remains. If you were referring to my later statement, I would not see how Skanderberg suddenly forgets his german roots.

P.S: I really don't mind whether Ted gets Greece or not, he wouldn't hold out long anyway if he chose to suddenly go rogue, I suppose.

EDIT: Plus I did get motives by one individual, and those motives were rather disappointing, considering most of them were simply wrong/the opposite of what had happened

[Numitor]

I'm pretty certain in my post announcing the declaration of war I have written everything that there is to know about the reasoning behind the decision:

"Too long has Germany bullied its neighbours and tried to spread dissent and hatred among the peaceful nations of Europe.
In an hour of need Russia's allies call for our help. They are cornered by an enemy who is willing to send millions to their death in the interest of politicians whose only goal is the subjugation of Europe."

The members of the Treaty of Sevastopol have agreed with these reasons and have decided to assist Russia in the effort.
They honour an alliance and assist their friends which, coupled with the reasons mentioned above, are in my opinion enough to justify the actions that have been taken.

[Ted]

Greece's (perfectly valid) reason for joining the war is it's membership in the Treaty of Sevastopol.

Funfact: Greece still has a defensive alliance with Germany and its independence had been guaranteed by Italy way before the Treaty of Sevastopol.



"Too long has Germany bullied its neighbours and tried to spread dissent and hatred among the peaceful nations of Europe.
In an hour of need Russia's allies call for our help. They are cornered by an enemy who is willing to send millions to their death in the interest of politicians whose only goal is the subjugation of Europe."


Let me translate this: "I want war but have no reason, so I make up a casus belli and draw everoyne else into a worldwar yay!"

[Bravescot]

Ted stop. You're not in the game and will not be permitted to reenter for the forseable future. Even if you did have to leave for finals you up and left right as Germany was in the worst of crisis and gave me a damn head ache trying to find a new Germany.

[Soulfly]

Meanwhile in Spain, leaked footage of his majesty thinking about the current situation:

6003

[VOLCUSGAMING]

Message to Germany:6004

[Sarado]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/7adccadd9445e8f65b5237b47d2ff17e/tumblr_nvnybaSwVI1uo39ffo1_500.gif

[eagles62973]

He'll gnaw your ankles off. Remember a starving populace is likely to revolt, you have to maintain garrison troops and you have to appease those people. It takes away from your war effort.

Oh and hopefully his army was actually defeated and didn't fade into the civilian population to become a guerilla force.....

Cheers :o

[eagles62973]

To all those asking for justifications or reasons, the only ones that matter are those of the victor. Stop arguing about them now, its like making peace plans already. Jesus get in the girl before blowing the load dammit.

[michaelsmithern]

When the Jihad against Europe is coming 100 years earlier than it's supposed to

[Bravescot]

I will no longer be accepting plans at 00:00 British Standard Time on Saturday (Saturday evening). Get them sent in or get leftout, it's update time.

[eagles62973]

Woot. Cant wait. REGULAR UPDATES ARE LIFE.

[michaelsmithern]

Can't wait for this update, these are always very nice to read

[acheter]

It most likely will be another week till I have a PC (yes I'm going with a Gtx 1080 Ti) this time.

[Sarado]

Oh no, you again.

[crazychester1247]

It most likely will be another week till I have a PC (yes I'm going with a Gtx 1080 Ti) this time.

https://youtu.be/fwGGYIEBKZY

[VOLCUSGAMING]

Acheter has managed to confuse me a lot... :confused: I know it's a bot but it's still weird imo. :)

[DoctorWarband]

Waiting for the update like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wi8Fv0AJA4

[crazychester1247]

EARTH TO MAJOR BRAVESCOT. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE BoP GAME?;)

[Bravescot]

All I can do is apologies for the delay. With uni terms ending my work has been a wash of people rushing off on holidays and new people doing trial shifts etc. I've been double shifted almost 9 times now and have had no time.

[michaelsmithern]

Take as long as you need there chief

Edit:damn autocorrect

[DoctorWarband]

I want to help write the update just so we'll get it quicker.

[michaelsmithern]

Wouldn't be fair to allow a player to write an update

[DoctorWarband]

Wouldn't be fair to allow a player to write an update

Writing the battles I mean.

[michaelsmithern]

Writing the battles I mean.

Better to let Bravescot handle it, that way nobody complains. I wouldn't mind the update being out, but it's simply taking some time, since buddy boy is busy. it's not the game is dead.

[Conway]

I've always seen these things and been very interested. Is there any chance of late joiners?

[michaelsmithern]

I do believe there are seats still open, go check the first page of this thread or the Main thread to see which countries are available

[Conway]

I'll take Netherlands if thats ok by people.
Although if possible /easterrising & Irish Republic pls.

[DomDowg]

Honetsly I was supposed to be given the Netherlands after the one guy left but never got it have been waiting on the info from Bravescot for over a month.

[Sarado]

Although if possible /easterrising & Irish Republic pls.

There are plans, Conway, there are plans....

[DoctorWarband]

I'll take Netherlands if thats ok by people.
Although if possible /easterrising & Irish Republic pls.

Over my dead British body you will!

[Conway]

Over my dead British body you will!
Come out ye black and tans, come out and fight me like a man...

[yoyo8346]

C'mon Conway, fly the "old old" colours, not the "old" ones!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Canadian_Red_Ensign_1868-1921.svg/1000px-Canadian_Red_Ensign_1868-1921.svg.png

[Conway]

*Technically thats the old-old-old one because in 1921 the cluster of maple leafs was green and not red. Mine is the 1957 version. Plus, for the one you posted NL wasn't even Canadian then so I'd never fly that flag :o

[Ottovski]

Bravescot, are you still alive?

[Bravescot]

Bravescot, are you still alive?

If it helps I'm looking to quit my place of work on either the 28th June or 7th July (Bosses are driving everyone nuts and we're basically all just walking out). So I'll be free to write my days away for a short bit before unit.

[DoctorWarband]

Rip game

[Bravescot]

Rip game

I've quit work. Update is in the work.

[DoctorWarband]

I've quit work. Update is in the work.



Love you babe

[Ottovski]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

[Soulfly]

so, erm....i guess the war has ended ?

[VOLCUSGAMING]

so, erm....i guess the war has ended ?
Yup, I think some officials met and worked something out... :(

[crazychester1247]

Me looking at this thread...
http://i.imgur.com/NrBPMkh.jpg

[Ottovski]

Anyone else still check this thread every day?