TKing and Drill Disruptions By Union Company Members

[F. L. Villarreal]

Good Evening All,

This past Saturday we had an incident with the 51st NY, their first sergeant highland and one of their friends without tags disrupting our drill session. We also had an incident with Jupiter team killing one of my Lieutenants because he had spawned as an officer. And today with the 6th LA. My question to all of you, how on earth does anyone find this acceptable from an actual organized unit? What kind of reputation do you all think this gives to your companies...especially when its one of your first sergeants or another member of your command staff? I will be the first to get rid of any of my people who deliberately cause issues for another company...Federal or Rebel. I have screen shots and a video of all of the above mentioned incidents. What kind of response is it that you are looking for out of the people you team kill while using your company tags???

[Bravescot]

I mean...Jupiter is Kiff so I don't know what else to expect really.

[John Cooley]

And 6th LA isn't Union but ...
I sent you a PM if you want to let me know what occurred and I will take it to the rest of the Division Command Staff, for Review.

[[WoR] Kiff]

Apologies, don't take it personally that your 2nd Lieutenant walked in the way of my gunshot, I wouldn't go to such lengths to disrupt your regiment that I hold in such high regards. At that, I would suggest removing this thread seeing as this topic is covered in multiple others, cheers.

[PAIOLETTI]

Good Evening All,

This past Saturday we had an incident with the 51st NY, their first sergeant highland and one of their friends without tags disrupting our drill session. We also had an incident with Jupiter team killing one of my Lieutenants because he had spawned as an officer. And today with the 6th LA. My question to all of you, how on earth does anyone find this acceptable from an actual organized unit? What kind of reputation do you all think this gives to your companies...especially when its one of your first sergeants or another member of your command staff? I will be the first to get rid of any of my people who deliberately cause issues for another company...Federal or Rebel. I have screen shots and a video of all of the above mentioned incidents. What kind of response is it that you are looking for out of the people you team kill while using your company tags???

What happened with my 6th LA? PM me or hit me up on Steam.........I would rather you bring this up to me in person or message me on steam but, I will stand accountable for my mens actions although they were not my own purely in accountabilities sake. Lets chat brother. By the way you guys did a great job in the Sunday NA Event and I hope to see you boys more often. Also you saw me and spoke to me on Sunday, why wasn't this addressed or even mentioned to me then? I can guarantee you it will be dealt with or at the very least some sort of satisfaction from my part.

[Profender]

Greetings,

Can not believe one of the 6th LA members would do such a thing without good reason. Ewell's Division holds solid men and Brig. Gen. Paioletti is one of the very best in the game. Running a great company. Indeed please contact brig. Gen. Paioletti. You are more then welcome on our teamspeak channel to talk it over and provide us with the video of what took place. Was best to talk this over on steam first who is to say your guy was not causing unnecessary problems? Anyways lets have a moment of communication. Talk it over action will be taken if needed towards any Ewell's Division member causing problems.

With respect and regards,

Maj. Gen. Peursum Ewell's Division

[Etherton]

It's a public server, if you are expecting to smoothly run a drill or some shit then you are mistaken. It's actually pretty banter to go on during a drill and annoy some folk. Makes a welcome change from the repetitive nature of the game atm. Plus who doesn't like a little teamkilling xD

[Max Krause]

Hi, I'm Martin Brauer and I was there.

First of all, which regiment do you mean now? There were no 55th and 51st, there were only the 52nd NY. So Don't take some random regiments and say that they did something bad. Because otherwise they could get marked as a bad company and no company would maybe want to paly with them because of the reason that someguy just said (I'm sorry) crap about that regiment because he don't really know which regiment was there. So please first do the research and then write a thread.

Hopefully you don't mean the 52nd NY.
Best greetings from Germany.

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

Hello Villeral

I don't know if we are involved into this but I have some points on your thread independent if we are involved or not.

See it as a friendly advice under professional company commanders ;)

1. A skirmish server is there for skirmishes and a drill camp for drills. You should expect kills and guys who are upset that you take one of the limited spots for a drill.
2. Good that you have some pictures which prove your statement. So please before you make a thread like this one add the guy on and ask if it was a accident. (Also possible due to lags and technical problems) give him a chance to explain and apologise. If not possible add his captain and talk with him in private.

As you can see all above me want to clarify such things and don't allow it. But threads like that discredit them and maybe they won't talk/listen/apologise for something like that which is understandable in my mind.

These are points which organised units do or should do if they have critic because it's fair and serious to talk in private and not here in a public forum.

If a random disturb your drill there is also the possibility to contact the devs.

I hope you understand that this is just a friendly advice if you read hard or unfriendly critic I apologise because my English isn't that good.


I hope you still had a nice weekend with your company

In respect

Maximus / Paul Frank
Captain, 52nd New York Infantry, Company A


P.S.

If you should find out that Sgt Brauer was involved into something like this I would like it if you add me on steam ( [52nd][Cpt]Maximus ) and we can talk about it. I want to clear such shit because it's not good for the health of the community if everybody is salty I am more the sugar friend ;)

[F. L. Villarreal]

Thank you gentlemen for all of your responses. Teamkilling without apology is never ok on a skirmish server. If it is a technical difficulty its one thing but I would hope that the individual would say something instead of carrying on. As far as disrupting drill, that is also never ok. Especially when it's a company first sergeant. I spent a significant time in the US military and an officer training program, I have to tell you all that I would not have posted this if it was not a constant thing. When I have one disruption after another and one teamkill after another it becomes an issue. Most (not all) of the activity on these forums is officers. This is exactly why I wanted to hold an officer's get together two weeks ago...as a "professional" company commander.

I know for a fact my men did nothing to cause the disruption as I was there, and I would hope that you all are not calling my integrity into question here if I have not given any reason for that.

I hold my men to the same standard that I hold myself...and that means not disrupting other companies or teamkilling without apology and without reason. They know that it is grounds for immediate action on our part. Whether its one of my officers, NCOs or line soldiers.

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

But the captain of the 51st (JohnMeow if I am right) didnt know something about this (as far as I know) until I sent him the link to this thread so I am confused

[F. L. Villarreal]

But the captain of the 51st (JohnMeow if I am right) didnt know something about this (as far as I know) until I sent him the link to this thread so I am confused

I understand what you are saying. What I am trying to say that it his happening way too often and by people it should most certainly not be happening with. In a military unit its leadership is accountable for its soldiers...and other leader's actions. That is an non-debatable and undeniable fact.

[Bravescot]

In a military unit its leadership is accountable for its soldiers...and other leader's actions. That is an non-debatable and undeniable fact.

Except that this isn't the military and is a video game making it highly debatable to some and an unwaving must to others (like you and I). Just playing devil's advocate here.

[F. L. Villarreal]

Except that this isn't the military and is a video game making it highly debatable to some and an unwaving must to others (like you and I). Just playing devil's advocate here.

This is why a Union Commander's meeting is in order...or should be. Units like the large 42nd PA and the significantly smaller 2nd MA that hold their men to a high standard should set the tone.

[MontySJ]

A Fair day to you Mr Villarreal, while as we can all understand how annoying TK is and how important it is ( sometimes) to confront it, i do belive it could have been settled in a more discreet and private way, some people find if you mention their Regimental tags like 51st or 6thLA it to be rude, its as if calling out the suspected in public, its of course not a fine thing to do, best of luck in your effort to solve this problem :D

[F. L. Villarreal]

A Fair day to you Mr Villarreal, while as we can all understand how annoying TK is and how important it is ( sometimes) to confront it, i do belive it could have been settled in a more discreet and private way, some people find if you mention their Regimental tags like 51st or 6thLA it to be rude, its as if calling out the suspected in public, its of course not a fine thing to do, best of luck in your effort to solve this problem :D

MontySJ,

It was my intention to name names in at this point. It was done during my company's drill...and I was being shot at personally. There is absolutely ZERO reason for a company first sergeant to be disrupting another company's drill. This is not the first....second, or third time this has happened.

[MontySJ]

So you intend on publicly humiliating those suspects? rather then be discreet and solve the issue in a more private manner? that's not sporting, even if we were the victim of such actions we must keep a mature attitude toward's it and settle it more discreetly, remember humiliating your enemy's will only add fire to fire.

[F. L. Villarreal]

So you intend on publicly humiliating those suspects? rather then be discreet and solve the issue in a more private manner? that's not sporting, even if we were the victim of such actions we must keep a mature attitude toward's it and settle it more discreetly, remember humiliating your enemy's will only add fire to fire.

These are not supposedly enemies. They are within federal companies. It is not humiliating to the perpetrators. It is however possible that it will humiliate those over them...and it should. The very moment it occurs.

[Profender]

Anybody can put a particular tag in front of his name/ make up a name as he wishes on steam

[F. L. Villarreal]

Anybody can put a particular tag in front of his name/ make up a name as he wishes on steam

And for this very reason Company Commanders need to emphasize and back each other up in that this is unacceptable behavior.

This is giving the Union/Federal side of the community a very very bad name.

I have to be honest...I am a little surprised that there is more uproar in me going public with this nonsense than the actual reason I am going public with it.

[Bravescot]

Naming and shaming has never been very popular in this community. People often don't care for the problems of others and would rather they dealt with it privately, instead of attempting to form a pitch fork and torch parade on the forums.

[MontySJ]

Because everybody have experienced the same thing, even sometimes worse, but thing is, nobody really make a thread about it and discuss it on public, its a dead argument because, those who comment on it of course will say they wont do it, and of course isnt going to do it, so unless your objective is to make somebody confess something publicly, then it's useless to even bring it to public, and if that was your intention then like i said, that's not very nice nor is it proper its very rude.

[F. L. Villarreal]

Naming and shaming has never been very popular in this community. People often don't care for the problems of others and would rather they dealt with it privately, instead of attempting to form a pitch fork and torch parade on the forums.

When is the best time for us to meet on TS? I know we live across the pond from each other but I think we can do good for this half of the community.


Because everybody have experienced the same thing, even sometimes worse, but thing is, nobody really make a thread about it and discuss it on public, its a dead argument because, those who comment on it of course will say they wont do it, and of course isnt going to do it, so unless your objective is to make somebody confess something publicly, then it's useless to even bring it to public, and if that was your intention then like i said, that's not very nice nor is it proper its very rude.

I will have to respectfully agree to disagree with your analysis of this as a whole.

[Hairywarhero]

Naming and shaming has never been very popular in this community. People often don't care for the problems of others and would rather they dealt with it privately, instead of attempting to form a pitch fork and torch parade on the forums.

I swear I've had many warnings for naming and shaming

[Bravescot]

I swear I've had many warnings for naming and shaming
You have, but that was more for also using private messages.

[F. L. Villarreal]

I swear I've had many warnings for naming and shaming

Is this the direction you want to take this conversation?

[sal_tuskin]

well seems the shoe is on the other foot now we bitched for 2 weeks because a person was team killing and ruining our events and now it is happening again something has to be done and no just wait for private servers is not the answer
i bought a 10$ server for farming sim the other day and i have the ability to perma ban people so u cant tell me there is now way you are not able to perban people now if i can do it on cheap server i know there is a way to do it on these servers

tking is not fun yes it happens hell i killed my own company 2 times on sundays event but continuous tking giving this game and the people a bad name, funny f. l. you are right they bitch at you more than the tking and 1/2 of these people on the forums never play the game just forum warriors hope this gets fixed and the event sunday was fun sorry you had to go though what we did

[F. L. Villarreal]

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[PAIOLETTI]

Naming and shaming has never been very popular in this community. People often don't care for the problems of others and would rather they dealt with it privately, instead of attempting to form a pitch fork and torch parade on the forums.

Agreed, and thank you Major.

F.L. Villareal, If you would like to speak to me in person my Divisions TS is 62.104.20.171:10060
So far we have been nothing but cordial and I hope that type of interaction would sustain. I am open to a talk about what happened as previously stated and I stand accountable for the actions of all of my men. However if it was an accidental TK I would ask you be more understanding to the fact that it is a part of life. I have been TKd by my own men before and by members of very honorable companies as well. I would rather us hash it out between the two of us in private if you would. You have my steam name and you know I wont pull any punches, we should have a sit down and discuss because I would like to know what happened. Please contact me on Steam or speak to me in person on TS. Have a good day Captain and again thanks for attending the Sunday NA Event, you boys did a great job and represented the Union with honor.

[MB_Mitgard]

On Saturday eve on way to Dunkers Church I ve met a blue officer.... He ve killed me by sword for a TK.... Unfortunately I havent identify him before..... That wasnt nice.... But Shooter without teamkiller I never have seen before.... Bad but thats life....

[sal_tuskin]

mb you are not able to be tkd by melee only by shooting that blue officer was and enemy it is hard to tell apart so many regiments cause alot of the csa are in blue uniforms or at least blue jackets or blue pants
i think you were mistaken on that tk

[Bravescot]

12thSC and 1stLA are the best ones to fool Union into thinking you're one of them.

[Kyle422]

I see nothing wrong with this forum post. Keep Keeping on!! Though Tking and disruptions will be dealt with soon enough and when that time comes. I don't care what you payed for the game/what rank you are or how many people you have in your unit. No actions such as these will go unpunished.

- Kyle

[Saris]

12thSC and 1stLA are the best ones to fool Union into thinking you're one of them.

I had fun running around as a 1stLA zouave behind union lines

[TrustyJam]

I see nothing wrong with this forum post. Keep Keeping on!! Though Tking and disruptions will be dealt with soon enough and when that time comes. I don't care what you payed for the game/what rank you are or how many people you have in your unit. No actions such as these will go unpunished.

- Kyle

Not quite. Lots of TK's will go unpunished. TK's are part of the game. Players should expect them in moderate amounts. Excessive TK'ing done to grief or troll will be punished.

- Trusty

[F. L. Villarreal]

My post isnt about accidental tking...its about in game trolls.

[Kyle422]

Not quite. Lots of TK's will go unpunished. TK's are part of the game. Players should expect them in moderate amounts. Excessive TK'ing done to grief or troll will be punished.

- Trusty

Which is exactly what I meant. Obviously I would never ban or kick someone over one or 2 TKs they happen Ive done it. But its the trolls I am targeting here such as discussed before.

- Kyle

[[WoR] Kiff]

Coming from my point of view on this subject, I don't think it was right for you to make a forum post about something as blunt as this, though I'm not a moderator and can't "lawfully" say so in a professional opinion. Coming from a War of Rights goer, I think Trusty is right in saying TK's in moderate amounts should be expected, it was very common with this type of warfare, and yes if someone is doing it on purpose to cause dismay I feel confident it will be dealt with accordingly. On the part of, I know this whole ordeal could have been handled in a much more fashionable, discrete approach, I hope you consider that option next time.
Highest Regards,
[WoR] Jupiter

[F. L. Villarreal]

Kiff;67797']Coming from my point of view on this subject, I don't think it was right for you to make a forum post about something as blunt as this, though I'm not a moderator and can't "lawfully" say so in a professional opinion. Coming from a War of Rights goer, I think Trusty is right in saying TK's in moderate amounts should be expected, it was very common with this type of warfare, and yes if someone is doing it on purpose to cause dismay I feel confident it will be dealt with accordingly. On the part of, I know this whole ordeal could have been handled in a much more fashionable, discrete approach, I hope you consider that option next time.
Highest Regards,
[WoR] Jupiter
I dont think its right for you to TK my guys because they spawned as an officer.

[MontySJ]

You ought to clarify these people and their intention, some might do it for reason like, " i was stuck" or " he was in my way" you cant just suddenly conclude or generalize that the only reason they did what they did wasnt accidental but rather purposely done to ruin your drills and event's, you can disagree seriously, its your opinion, but you need to understand calling out names and ranting about something as common as this is rather useless, and because a member of a company did what they did, you cant just generalize also that the motive of the whole company is the same to that 1 member that comitted that action, again... if you settled it more discreet and calm manner it wouldnt explode into a shitshow



And another thing, if you made a statement like this on a normal post withouth naming your so called suspects, that probably would be fine, but you made a thread and calling out name's, you said respect other company's drill and event's, well you also need to respect other people's reputation within the community, if you think people wont look at this thread even thought it doesnt concern them, then you are wrong, some people doing research on their preferred Company is going to stumble upon that statement you made regarding the Company that as you said " disrupted" and it will impact a negative image on that company's reputation, i remember a Company ( iam not going to name it, i will only say the name of this company when asked through private messege but i wont open it to the public) which earned a horrible reputation for the action of it's Sergeant Major, he TK'ed alot of people this was back before the TK Kicking system, because of the reputation of this SgtMajor impacted to the Company, the Company had a fight with the Dev's to clear its name, resulting in the inactivity of the Company, so a statement like this, matters alot, on the image of the company, to say the 6thLA or 51st or 55th or whatever do what you said it did, would turn recruits away from the company, thinking it to be an unorganized bunch of rabble, when in reality it isnt, and you will be the one accountable for such words and imagery.

P.S

I mean nothing bad by this, no disregard to you or your Company member's.

[Etherton]

Which is exactly what I meant. Obviously I would never ban or kick someone over one or 2 TKs they happen Ive done it. But its the trolls I am targeting here such as discussed before.

- Kyle
How can you punish someone for doing nothing wrong? As far as I'm aware there is no rule set on what you can and can't do on the servers. Due to that it means we can tk to our hearts content should we wish. If you want to be able to enforce and prevent trolling then maybe you should create rules for the servers that everyone can see and is aware of. Until that stage however as they are public servers we can honestly do what we want just saying :p welcome to prove me wrong and show me server rules tho, but I've not seen any which is why it's kinda banter to tk sometimes xd

Not saying I run around teamkilling but if there is some kid thinking he is an officer of me on a public server I have no option but to end his life as I'm unable to silence him irl

[Hairywarhero]

Not saying I run around teamkilling but if there is some kid thinking he is an officer of me on a public server I have no option but to end his life as I'm unable to silence him irl

No chill at all Etherton

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

You ought to clarify these people and their intention, some might do it for reason like, " i was stuck" or " he was in my way" you cant just suddenly conclude or generalize that the only reason they did what they did wasnt accidental but rather purposely done to ruin your drills and event's, you can disagree seriously, its your opinion, but you need to understand calling out names and ranting about something as common as this is rather useless, and because a member of a company did what they did, you cant just generalize also that the motive of the whole company is the same to that 1 member that comitted that action, again... if you settled it more discreet and calm manner it wouldnt explode into a shitshow



And another thing, if you made a statement like this on a normal post withouth naming your so called suspects, that probably would be fine, but you made a thread and calling out name's, you said respect other company's drill and event's, well you also need to respect other people's reputation within the community, if you think people wont look at this thread even thought it doesnt concern them, then you are wrong, some people doing research on their preferred Company is going to stumble upon that statement you made regarding the Company that as you said " disrupted" and it will impact a negative image on that company's reputation, i remember a Company ( iam not going to name it, i will only say the name of this company when asked through private messege but i wont open it to the public) which earned a horrible reputation for the action of it's Sergeant Major, he TK'ed alot of people this was back before the TK Kicking system, because of the reputation of this SgtMajor impacted to the Company, the Company had a fight with the Dev's to clear its name, resulting in the inactivity of the Company, so a statement like this, matters alot, on the image of the company, to say the 6thLA or 51st or 55th or whatever do what you said it did, would turn recruits away from the company, thinking it to be an unorganized bunch of rabble, when in reality it isnt, and you will be the one accountable for such words and imagery.

P.S

I mean nothing bad by this, no disregard to you or your Company member's.

Amen

[Leifr]

How can you punish someone for doing nothing wrong? As far as I'm aware there is no rule set on what you can and can't do on the servers. Due to that it means we can tk to our hearts content should we wish. If you want to be able to enforce and prevent trolling then maybe you should create rules for the servers that everyone can see and is aware of. Until that stage however as they are public servers we can honestly do what we want just saying :p welcome to prove me wrong and show me server rules tho, but I've not seen any which is why it's kinda banter to tk sometimes xd

Not saying I run around teamkilling but if there is some kid thinking he is an officer of me on a public server I have no option but to end his life as I'm unable to silence him irl

There is no specific set of rules for the servers other than the usual "don't be a dick", however that's not to say one can purposely team-kill with carefree abandon. We are currently relying upon player reports (hinthint) and directly PM'ing the administration and moderators with video/image proof before a permanent SteamID ban is placed. That said, there is a simple auto-kick feature currently in place, it will be upgraded and admin tools expanded over time.

As for the 'kid officer', you do have the option of actively ignoring him. :)


Something along those lines with a clever counting system as well in order to avoid kicks if you play for, say, several hours and manage to get a few tk's.

- Trusty


Yes, and if you continue to tk you'll eventually be Steam ID banned.

- Trusty

[F. L. Villarreal]

You ought to clarify these people and their intention, some might do it for reason like, " i was stuck" or " he was in my way" you cant just suddenly conclude or generalize that the only reason they did what they did wasnt accidental but rather purposely done to ruin your drills and event's, you can disagree seriously, its your opinion, but you need to understand calling out names and ranting about something as common as this is rather useless, and because a member of a company did what they did, you cant just generalize also that the motive of the whole company is the same to that 1 member that comitted that action, again... if you settled it more discreet and calm manner it wouldnt explode into a shitshow



And another thing, if you made a statement like this on a normal post withouth naming your so called suspects, that probably would be fine, but you made a thread and calling out name's, you said respect other company's drill and event's, well you also need to respect other people's reputation within the community, if you think people wont look at this thread even thought it doesnt concern them, then you are wrong, some people doing research on their preferred Company is going to stumble upon that statement you made regarding the Company that as you said " disrupted" and it will impact a negative image on that company's reputation, i remember a Company ( iam not going to name it, i will only say the name of this company when asked through private messege but i wont open it to the public) which earned a horrible reputation for the action of it's Sergeant Major, he TK'ed alot of people this was back before the TK Kicking system, because of the reputation of this SgtMajor impacted to the Company, the Company had a fight with the Dev's to clear its name, resulting in the inactivity of the Company, so a statement like this, matters alot, on the image of the company, to say the 6thLA or 51st or 55th or whatever do what you said it did, would turn recruits away from the company, thinking it to be an unorganized bunch of rabble, when in reality it isnt, and you will be the one accountable for such words and imagery.

P.S

I mean nothing bad by this, no disregard to you or your Company member's.


Amen

Gentlemen,

It's simple. This is not a one time thing and some of it was blatant and by those that are supposed to be leaders within their companies. WE are in control of what OUR companies do and their reputation. If that makes the 2nd Massachusetts a bunch of stuck up and pompous people then I am pretty sure none of my guys will have a problem with that label when placed next to people who are TKing and causing a disruption deliberately. We are here to play by the rules. Some of those rules are written and others are common sense. The 6th LA has some wonderful leadership and they are NOT one of the two main companies that are a major problem. The problem here are two federal groups disrupting a drill and one of those doing it being a 1SG within that company. I am not here to take care of anyone but my guys who put in a lot of time and maturity into this game and those companies that have similar standards. I am sorry that I am not sorry for wanting to take care of my guys and being passionate about it.

If the 42ndPA, 55thNY, 68thNY, 6thLA (whom quickly responded politely) and 1stTX amongst some other unnamed units can conduct themselves with decorum inside the servers and on the forums than so can everyone else.


How can you punish someone for doing nothing wrong? As far as I'm aware there is no rule set on what you can and can't do on the servers. Due to that it means we can tk to our hearts content should we wish. If you want to be able to enforce and prevent trolling then maybe you should create rules for the servers that everyone can see and is aware of. Until that stage however as they are public servers we can honestly do what we want just saying :p welcome to prove me wrong and show me server rules tho, but I've not seen any which is why it's kinda banter to tk sometimes xd

Not saying I run around teamkilling but if there is some kid thinking he is an officer of me on a public server I have no option but to end his life as I'm unable to silence him irl

I am 100% certain that it is none of my guys doing this. And if it is please do let me know. As far as server rules go...there is a reason that TKing has an auto kick feature after so many. This is a common sense thing. Just understand this, rules are established when people do things like this or make comments like the one you just made.

[SouthCarolina]

Gentlemen,

It's simple. This is not a one time thing and some of it was blatant and by those that are supposed to be leaders within their companies. WE are in control of what OUR companies do and their reputation. If that makes the 2nd Massachusetts a bunch of stuck up and pompous people then I am pretty sure none of my guys will have a problem with that label when placed next to people who are TKing and causing a disruption deliberately. We are here to play by the rules. Some of those rules are written and others are common sense. The 6th LA has some wonderful leadership and they are NOT one of the two main companies that are a major problem. The problem here are two federal groups disrupting a drill and one of those doing it being a 1SG within that company. I am not here to take care of anyone but my guys who put in a lot of time and maturity into this game and those companies that have similar standards. I am sorry that I am not sorry for wanting to take care of my guys and being passionate about it.

If the 42ndPA, 55thNY, 68thNY, 6thLA (whom quickly responded politely) and 1stTX amongst some other unnamed units can conduct themselves with decorum inside the servers and on the forums than so can everyone else.



I am 100% certain that it is none of my guys doing this. And if it is please do let me know. As far as server rules go...there is a reason that TKing has an auto kick feature after so many. This is a common sense thing. Just understand this, rules are established when people do things like this or make comments like the one you just made.

Just Got TK-ed by a 2nd Massachusetts member! Bad bad company bad very bad

[F. L. Villarreal]

Just Got TK-ed by a 2nd Massachusetts member! Bad bad company bad very bad

Yes it is very bad. Please send me a name so I can look into it.
-did they apologize?
-how many times did they do it?

If it is determined that it was done maliciously and without apology I will handle it. I am ok with public scrutiny if my men are not doing the right thing.

Although I am not seeing any of my guys as even being online at this very moment...

[Leifr]

SouthCarolina is being facetious Mr Villarreal.

[F. L. Villarreal]

SouthCarolina is being facetious Mr Villarreal.

lol it's 7:41am over here and I have not yet had my coffee...:o <---embarrassed face

[Leifr]

lol it's 7:41am over here and I have not yet had my coffee...:o

Make a coffee and have some breakfast mate!

[Etherton]

There is no specific set of rules for the servers other than the usual "don't be a dick", however that's not to say one can purposely team-kill with carefree abandon. We are currently relying upon player reports (hinthint) and directly PM'ing the administration and moderators with video/image proof before a permanent SteamID ban is placed. That said, there is a simple auto-kick feature currently in place, it will be upgraded and admin tools expanded over time.

As for the 'kid officer', you do have the option of actively ignoring him. :)

No complaints about me yet so I must be doing it right �� ez grief skillz.


No chill at all Etherton

Tbf most of this community is kids so my choice is vastly broadened. Its like playing where's wallie just to find a mature man

[Leifr]

Etherton, I have taken the liberty of merging your posts. Please do not intentionally double-post.
You clearly have not been looking very far (http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?4420-Mature-alpha-players-What-age-are-we-all) with regards to finding 'a mature man', if that is how you are inclined. :rolleyes:

[Max Krause]

Hi,

I wanted to keep me out of this discussion.

Every person in this community is responsible for his own activity. If I do shit, it isn't the fault of my OC, it's my own personal fault. So you can't blaim a company of doing shit, if one individual person makes non sense. We aren't in the real army, our NCO's and CO's don't have 24/7 controll of us. Don't forget this is a game, not the real army. So don't blaim a company of something one individual did.

I think everybody here in the community is old enough to know the consequences of his doing. And I personally think that every company in this game, where the OC's put many time in it to form their company and to get it bigger and bigger, haven't the aim on destroying the fun of this game. So I think it's very unfair to call names of companys and associate them with a bad thing.

Now something to this post:


Units like the large 42nd PA and the significantly smaller 2nd MA that hold their men to a high standard should set the tone.

(No offend) There is no elite in this game. Their are no better companys. Every Company is good on his own way. You can't compare companys because everybody is using his own tactics and his own disciplin. And I thing it is very offensive to say that you re one of the best companys. Because this isn't true. Like I said you can't compare any companys. You can't compare a small company with a big company because there are too many diffrence, you can't do such things (tactics, manouvers.) when you're smaller. I see this in our drills. We have a Section-Drill and in comparism with our Association-Drill, we can't do such things when we are 10-20 men. So please don't compare yourself with other companys as well they wouldn't do that.

Greetings from Germany.

[F. L. Villarreal]

I believe this community has a very diverse demographic. We have young players (Kids)some that act their age (nothing wrong with that) and others that are pretty mature, teens, young adults who think they know about the military, and then those whom have served in their country's military, and then we have adults from 18+ that have great heads on their shoulders, giving the community a great name.

[Max Krause]

I believe this community has a very diverse demographic. We have young players (Kids)some that act their age (nothing wrong with that) and others that are pretty mature, teens, young adults who think they know about the military, and then those whom have served in their country's military, and then we have adults from 18+ that have great heads on their shoulders, giving the community a great name.

Does this change the fact, that everybody is responsible for his own activitys? No.

And also, this community is mainly out of older persons. There aren't much young people in this community as far as I can say. I play this game now for nearly 100 hours and the only kid i've seen is your 1st or 2nd Lieutenant.

(For me a kid is from 0-16, If they have the age of 16 the mainly part, is acting like adults and also don't act childish)

[F. L. Villarreal]

I play this game now for nearly 100 hours and the only kid i've seen is your 1st or 2nd Lieutenant.
and maybe yourself...


Hi,

I wanted to keep me out of this discussion.

Every person in this community is responsible for his own activity. If I do shit, it isn't the fault of my OC, it's my own personal fault. So you can't blaim a company of doing shit, if one individual person makes non sense. We aren't in the real army, our NCO's and CO's don't have 24/7 controll of us. Don't forget this is a game, not the real army. So don't blaim a company of something one individual did.

I think everybody here in the community is old enough to know the consequences of his doing. And I personally think that every company in this game, where the OC's put many time in it to form their company and to get it bigger and bigger, haven't the aim on destroying the fun of this game. So I think it's very unfair to call names of companys and associate them with a bad thing.

Now something to this post:



(No offend) There is no elite in this game. Their are no better companys. Every Company is good on his own way. You can't compare companys because everybody is using his own tactics and his own disciplin. And I thing it is very offensive to say that you re one of the best companys. Because this isn't true. Like I said you can't compare any companys. You can't compare a small company with a big company because there are too many diffrence, you can't do such things (tactics, manouvers.) when you're smaller. I see this in our drills. We have a Section-Drill and in comparism with our Association-Drill, we can't do such things when we are 10-20 men. So please don't compare yourself with other companys as well they wouldn't do that.

Greetings from Germany.

Understand this...I do not care if it is not the real military. I do not care if it offends you. No I don't believe that WE are elite, what I do believe is that there have been companies to set themselves apart from the rest by way of holding their members accountable. If a group of people organize with the intent of portraying a historical company that fought with honor it is only appropriate that they treat that name with reverence. That is not up for debate. This is MY country's history with MY country's flag being used. The Developers have been amazing with the great respect, love, energy, and detail they have given this game and so have the moderators. Until you carry over 30+ caskets with American flags draped over them please do not tell me what I can and cannot compare.

[Etherton]

No complaints about me yet so I must be doing it right �� ez grief skillz.



Tbf most of this community is kids so my choice is vastly broadened. Its like playing where's wallie just to find a mature man

I didn't even notice I double posted. I just replied to 2 different comments and I'm on mobile so hardly paying attention. I've looked very hard and most are kiddos. I'm edgy, a troll and a shit talker so most people are seen in bad light to me due to my strong xenophobic belief against anyone non english xddddd
#EnglandIsMyCity

[ItalianMonk]

At the end of the day it comes down to just apologise if you accidentally TK. If not and it really annoys you, just try to talk to the guy or the Company Commander. And if that doesn't work, then I truly don't see a problem in name and shame. As that always works :)
Further more, I don't see the need for a Union Commanders Meeting about this, as you literally just have to use your common sense and decency.

[F. L. Villarreal]

I'm edgy, a troll and a shit talker so most people are seen in bad light to me due to my strong xenophobic belief against anyone non english xddddd

That was actually funny...


At the end of the day it comes down to just apologise if you accidentally TK. If not and it really annoys you, just try to talk to the guy or the Company Commander. And if that doesn't work, then I truly don't see a problem in name and shame. As that always works :)
Further more, I don't see the need for a Union Commanders Meeting about this, as you literally just have to use your common sense and decency.

That was a very honest and mature response to this whole thing. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.


"This is why a Union Commander's meeting is in order...or should be. Units like the large 42nd PA and the significantly smaller 2nd MA that hold their men to a high standard should set the tone. ".

I just caught that you quoted me...The bold part is the part you used to try and make a point. But if you had used my whole quote you would have caught that I was talking to Bravescot and implying that we need to set the tone....as in we need to set the example....and do the right thing. Also meaning that I hold my people to a high standard...or they are booted/kicked out of the company. I tell all of my guys and they will quote me on this; "I would rather have 10 active guys that don't cause problems and are high quality than 100+ guys who are inactive or have bad attitudes"

[Max Krause]

and maybe yourself...

Very nice of you to offend. I appreciate it, but that just shows me and everyone else that you're out of arguments.

A little tip by the way. In a discussion it isn't advisible to give such comments. It isn't good for your credibility.




Understand this...I do not care if it is not the real military.

You have to care. Because it is a fact that this is a game and not the real military. And offending my friend is useless so please let this non sense away of this discussion.


No I don't believe that WE are elite, what I do believe is that there have been companies to set themselves apart from the rest by way of holding their members accountable.

But in your post:


This is why a Union Commander's meeting is in order...or should be. Units like the large 42nd PA and the significantly smaller 2nd MA that hold their men to a high standard should set the tone.

I underlined it where you said that. It literally says that you think that your company is one of the best ones. And elite means the best ones.
So let's keep it on.


If a group of people organize with the intent of portraying a historical company that fought with honor it is only appropriate that they treat that name with reverence.

This is correct. It is right to treat that name with reverence. But you always forget that it is a game. If somebody who is in a company do something very very wrong, he doesn't do this in the name of the company. He does this on his own. And my friend how do you want to look over every action of your members. i personally think if one of your members goes now online start WoR and start screaming that all guys who play this game are *****. You don't have controll over it. And if you now want to say that you know your men. Thats mostly wrong. You don't know them. I don't know my OC either, because this here is virtual. I only hear his voice. I never met him personal. So I don't really know him. This is a fact. Maybe you are one of those companys, who are RL friends and all bought this game. But this would be unlikely.


This is MY country's history with MY country's flag being used. Until you carry over 30+ caskets with American flags draped over them please do not tell me what I can and cannot compare.

Wow my friend, you want to tell me that I'm not allowed to discuss this with you because I'm German? Is this what you want to tell me? Maybe it is interesting for you, that also germans fight in the american civil war. And one of the biggest german regiments is the 52ndNY. You can google it. There are also I think 3 german generals who fought in the civil war so. So I'm also allowed on military point of view to discuss with you. And I can tell you what you can compare and what you can't compare because it is a fact that you can't compare because you don't know whats all behind the scenes in the companys. You DON'T know that because you can jsut the see the front of it. You just see that they have a lot of people the use tactics and so on. You don't know which of those massiv amounts of people in the company tool, are inactive, don't have the game. So I recomment that you stop doing a list of the best companys, because you don't see whats behind the scenes.

Greetings from Germany.

P.S.: I allowed my self to let the thing with the devs out of comment. Because they already know that they do a good job and for this discussing it is completly unimportant.

[Max Krause]

I just caught that you quoted me...The bold part is the part you used to try and make a point. But if you had used my whole quote you would have caught that I was talking to Bravescot and implying that we need to set the tone....as in we need to set the example....and do the right thing. Also meaning that I hold my people to a high standard...or they are booted/kicked out of the company. I tell all of my guys and they will quote me on this; "I would rather have 10 active guys that don't cause problems and are high quality than 100+ guys who are inactive or have bad attitudes"

Yeah I quoted you. There is the option to do this so I use it. And I quoted your whole text. I personally don't need to cut something out.
7133

There is a screenshot of it.

but the point is, why do you thing you and the 42nd should set the tone, because you think that your comapny is one of the best. But you can't judge it. Because there is no list of the best companys. As well I could say the 52ndNY is one of the best companys. Does this make it true? I also can say that our men are very good disciplined. All of our men are active. (this is actually true because all them before beeing promoted to private have to do a job interveiw otherwise they would get kicked after 3 weeks of just beeing in the roster.) Should we also now set the tone? Not really.

Greetings from Germany.

[Bravescot]

Please don't bring the 42ndPA into this. Thank you.

[SouthCarolina]

Very nice of you to offend. I appreciate it, but that just shows me and everyone else that you're out of arguments.

A little tip by the way. In a discussion it isn't advisible to give such comments. It isn't good for your credibility.





You have to care. Because it is a fact that this is a game and not the real military. And offending my friend is useless so please let this non sense away of this discussion.



But in your post:



I underlined it where you said that. It literally says that you think that your company is one of the best ones. And elite means the best ones.
So let's keep it on.



This is correct. It is right to treat that name with reverence. But you always forget that it is a game. If somebody who is in a company do something very very wrong, he doesn't do this in the name of the company. He does this on his own. And my friend how do you want to look over every action of your members. i personally think if one of your members goes now online start WoR and start screaming that all guys who play this game are *****. You don't have controll over it. And if you now want to say that you know your men. Thats mostly wrong. You don't know them. I don't know my OC either, because this here is virtual. I only hear his voice. I never met him personal. So I don't really know him. This is a fact. Maybe you are one of those companys, who are RL friends and all bought this game. But this would be unlikely.



Wow my friend, you want to tell me that I'm not allowed to discuss this with you because I'm German? Is this what you want to tell me? Maybe it is interesting for you, that also germans fight in the american civil war. And one of the biggest german regiments is the 52ndNY. You can google it. There are also I think 3 german generals who fought in the civil war so. So I'm also allowed on military point of view to discuss with you. And I can tell you what you can compare and what you can't compare because it is a fact that you can't compare because you don't know whats all behind the scenes in the companys. You DON'T know that because you can jsut the see the front of it. You just see that they have a lot of people the use tactics and so on. You don't know which of those massiv amounts of people in the company tool, are inactive, don't have the game. So I recomment that you stop doing a list of the best companys, because you don't see whats behind the scenes.

Greetings from Germany.

P.S.: I allowed my self to let the thing with the devs out of comment. Because they already know that they do a good job and for this discussing it is completly unimportant.

Germany!


Please don't bring the 42ndPA into this. Thank you.

I hereby officially bring in the 42nd PA, your welcome

[F. L. Villarreal]

Very nice of you to offend. I appreciate it, but that just shows me and everyone else that you're out of arguments.

A little tip by the way. In a discussion it isn't advisible to give such comments. It isn't good for your credibility.





You have to care. Because it is a fact that this is a game and not the real military. And offending my friend is useless so please let this non sense away of this discussion.



But in your post:



I underlined it where you said that. It literally says that you think that your company is one of the best ones. And elite means the best ones.
So let's keep it on.



This is correct. It is right to treat that name with reverence. But you always forget that it is a game. If somebody who is in a company do something very very wrong, he doesn't do this in the name of the company. He does this on his own. And my friend how do you want to look over every action of your members. i personally think if one of your members goes now online start WoR and start screaming that all guys who play this game are *****. You don't have controll over it. And if you now want to say that you know your men. Thats mostly wrong. You don't know them. I don't know my OC either, because this here is virtual. I only hear his voice. I never met him personal. So I don't really know him. This is a fact. Maybe you are one of those companys, who are RL friends and all bought this game. But this would be unlikely.



Wow my friend, you want to tell me that I'm not allowed to discuss this with you because I'm German? Is this what you want to tell me? Maybe it is interesting for you, that also germans fight in the american civil war. And one of the biggest german regiments is the 52ndNY. You can google it. There are also I think 3 german generals who fought in the civil war so. So I'm also allowed on military point of view to discuss with you. And I can tell you what you can compare and what you can't compare because it is a fact that you can't compare because you don't know whats all behind the scenes in the companys. You DON'T know that because you can jsut the see the front of it. You just see that they have a lot of people the use tactics and so on. You don't know which of those massiv amounts of people in the company tool, are inactive, don't have the game. So I recomment that you stop doing a list of the best companys, because you don't see whats behind the scenes.

Greetings from Germany.

P.S.: I allowed my self to let the thing with the devs out of comment. Because they already know that they do a good job and for this discussing it is completly unimportant.

In what world do you think I am trying to insult you? I am saying that you may be a kid as well when you needlessly cited that one of my lieutenants is a kid...when you have no idea what his age is.

You are right that I do not have control over people's actions, but I do have control whether I retain them as a part of my company due to their acts. That's is what accountability means.

As far as this just being a game goes, again you are right BUT again in my previous response, leadership within companies has the responsibility to hold people that represent them to a higher standard. When you say that your guys are responsible for their own actions and let them keep your company tag then by default they represent you...and if you do nothing about it then by default again, you support what they do. It is that simple.

And no me saying that we hold ourselves to a higher standard does not imply we are elite, it implies that I am familiar with the other company and my own. I am unsure of what your major malfunction in understanding that is.

People of German decent fighting for the union is not my concern, especially if nobody here is being disrespectful to the black, gold, and red ;)

What is my concern is how people ORGANIZED into a group represent the dignity of a company.

As far as my credibility goes...I will AGAIN emphasize that I am not here to garner your respect. I am here to take care of my guys when there is an issue. And that is what I am doing.


Please don't bring the 42ndPA into this. Thank you.

My apologies. I was mentioning your unit to you saying that we do hold our guys accountable and that by doing that we set the example.

[PAIOLETTI]

. The 6th LA has some wonderful leadership and they are NOT one of the two main companies that are a major problem. The problem here are two federal groups disrupting a drill and one of those doing it being a 1SG within that company. If the 42ndPA, 55thNY, 68thNY, 6thLA (whom quickly responded politely) and 1stTX amongst some other unnamed units can conduct themselves with decorum inside the servers and on the forums than so can everyone else..
I appreciate the kind words Major, and I have received the names of the two guys who had the accidental TKs from your Captain, will address the situation. Its not a hard thing, nor does it take more than 2 seconds to say sorry in the team chat. Its just a respect thing, thanks again for bringing this to my attention. Best of luck with your company sir and I hope to see you again in the Sunday NA events in the future.

[Charjamex]

Update on this issue,My name is Charjamex(Petter Rafferty) 1st Lt of the 51stNY regiment company A. I have spoken to Major Villareal in person on their team speak and have resolved the issue. Disciplinary action will be taken at this time in the case of the 1st Sgt. on behalf of the 51st I want to apologize for this behavior in hoping it will not, in fact wont ever happen again. As a WoR community we need to help each other out with these things and contact the appropriate people asap so things of this nature can be wiped from the servers. Thank you for your time and again our sincerest apologies,
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[Charjamex]

Update on this issue,My name is Charjamex(Petter Rafferty) 1st Lt of the 51stNY regiment company A. I have spoken to Major Villareal in person on their team speak and have resolved the issue. Disciplinary action will be taken at this time in the case of the 1st Sgt. on behalf of the 51st I want to apologize for this behavior in hoping it will not, in fact wont ever happen again. As a WoR community we need to help each other out with these things and contact the appropriate people asap so things of this nature can be wiped from the servers. Thank you for your time and again our sincerest apologies,

[F. L. Villarreal]

Update on this issue,My name is Charjamex(Petter Rafferty) 1st Lt of the 51stNY regiment company A. I have spoken to Major Villareal in person on their team speak and have resolved the issue. Disciplinary action will be taken at this time in the case of the 1st Sgt. on behalf of the 51st I want to apologize for this behavior in hoping it will not, in fact wont ever happen again. As a WoR community we need to help each other out with these things and contact the appropriate people asap so things of this nature can be wiped from the servers. Thank you for your time and again our sincerest apologies,

The issue has been resolved. This is all water under the bridge and I am confident that this will only make the community better.

[SouthCarolina]

The issue has been resolved. This is all water under the bridge and I am confident that this will only make the community better.

I am so happy that THIS makes the community better

[F. L. Villarreal]

I am so happy that THIS makes the community better

Aww poor guy...did you feel left out? :):):)

We will make sure and include you next time.

[[WoR] Kiff]

and maybe yourself...



Understand this...I do not care if it is not the real military. I do not care if it offends you. No I don't believe that WE are elite, what I do believe is that there have been companies to set themselves apart from the rest by way of holding their members accountable. If a group of people organize with the intent of portraying a historical company that fought with honor it is only appropriate that they treat that name with reverence. That is not up for debate. This is MY country's history with MY country's flag being used. The Developers have been amazing with the great respect, love, energy, and detail they have given this game and so have the moderators. Until you carry over 30+ caskets with American flags draped over them please do not tell me what I can and cannot compare.


I'm not denying that you have served our country and we thank you a great deal for that, but I don't think it's right of you to get on Mr. Brauer about your military service, forums have rules, I should know, I break about seven each day, maybe I'm not in the highest position to talk regarding that subject, but I do firmly believe that it is this mindset that isn't good practice. Sergeant Martin said his feelings true, lets just let that be and carry on to other important issues. I don't mean to bash you at all with this, just how I feel, I respect everyone's opinions equally as everyone should! That's all :D

[javelina]

I'm fairly new to the community. Made my Captain's pledge just about a week ago. Coming up to speed with system. Logged onto the USA drill server 4 or 5 times now. On two separate occasions, I had a Union player come up to me and fire almost point blank... I said you've got to be kidding... just rolled my eyes. Must be outliers... I understand this cr*p happens, so I just roll with it. But would hate to have something like this happen during an event or sanctioned drill. I realize there's the potential for "Blue on Blue". It happens... But so do the Ass Hats... :D

Live long and prosper.

-Jav

[Ted]

I've thrown my two cents on the matter in ages ago, so I'll just repost it :p

http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?3624-About-Admins-Trolls-and-Serverfiles&highlight=administration

[thomas aagaard]

you are commending in a topic that is a year old...