View Full Version : Original Confederate Flags
Kyle422
02-25-2018, 09:30 PM
This thread is for the posting of original Confederate flags. We would appreciate it if you would post which unit and State it belongs to.
- Kyle
McMuffin
02-25-2018, 09:39 PM
8001
6th Kentucky Infantry
Johnny_Reb_1865
04-09-2018, 08:56 AM
8187
Flag of Co. "E" 22nd Mississippi Infantry Regiment.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8a/c3/a1/8ac3a18e8d3bc05e2f1c2b3ae9ef5177.jpg
31st Virginia Infantry Regiment
http://www.civilwarbadges.com/cgi-bin/Print_Item.asp?6456
Flag of Co. "K" 21st Mississippi Infantry Regiment.
Alexander Sloan Townes
04-10-2018, 03:28 PM
South Carolina Hampton Legion81948194
Johnny_Reb_1865
04-10-2018, 08:48 PM
8195
15th Virginia Infantry Regiment
http://moconfederacy.pastperfectonline.com/webobject/41E4E689-4AD8-4CAD-AC55-021656740953
Saris
04-10-2018, 10:10 PM
Hood's Texas Brigade
1st Texas Infantry Regiment
81988199
4th Texas Infantry Regiment
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5th Texas Infantry Regiment
82008201
18th Georgia Infantry Regiment
8204
Hampton's Legion(Posted Again)
8205
Johnny_Reb_1865
04-24-2018, 12:53 PM
1st Florida Special Battalion (Heavy Artillery)
http://i.pinimg.com/236x/ea/4a/c0/ea4ac0d47d0b8a3448bed2c722cef971.jpg
DevDudeTyler
05-02-2018, 03:38 AM
I love that one, one of my favorites.
Wilhelm von Straussberry
05-02-2018, 09:13 AM
https://mostateparks.com/sites/mostateparks/files/msgflag.gif
Missouri State Guard, Missouri
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1c/1st_Missouri_Dismounted_Cavalry_%28CSA%29_Flag.jpg/220px-1st_Missouri_Dismounted_Cavalry_%28CSA%29_Flag.jpg
1st Missouri Calvary, Missouri
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/The_Van_Dorn_Flag.png/220px-The_Van_Dorn_Flag.png
4th Missouri Infantry Regiment, Missouri
15th Arkansas Infantry Regiment, Arkansas
XxPolishPenetratorxX
05-03-2018, 04:57 PM
Company A, 4th Virginia Cavalry, The Prince William Cavalry
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Company D, 4th Virginia Cavalry, The Little Fork Rangers
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Company E, 4th Virginia Cavalry, The Powhatan Troop
8342
You can also check out our company forum thread for a larger image for Company E.
Detective Bulletstorm
05-06-2018, 08:19 PM
14th Tennessee Regiment
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17th Tennessee Regiment
8354
Johnny_Reb_1865
05-09-2018, 06:25 PM
First National Flag of the 12th Virginia Infantry Regiment
http://perryadamsantiques.com/shop/identified-confederate-first-national-flag-of-the-12th-virginia-infantry/
John Cooley
06-11-2018, 05:21 PM
Many of Georgia's Flags were lost but this site has descriptions of many, based on letters and quartermaster's reports.
http://snaccooperative.org/ark:/99166/w6131rmq
This is the excerpt for My Unit, Cobb's Legion (GA) ...
In August of 1861, Thomas R.R. Cobb would be elected Colonel of “Cobb’s Legion”, a mixed combat team of seven infantry companies and a cavalry battalion of four companies that would eventually grow to eleven companies and be detached as the 9th Georgia Cavalry.
On 8 August 1861, C.A. Platt & Company of Augusta, Georgia would furnish (and bill directly to Col. T.R.R. Cobb on the 13 August) portions of the regimental camp equipage. Among the items purchased from Platt would be “1 Regimental Flag & Streamer”, “1 Squadron Flag & Staff”, “4 Markers Flags & Staffs”, and “1 Streamer & Staff”. The cost of these flags, staffs, and streamers would total $86.00—no mean sum in 1861.
The unadorned staff with streamer (which bore the motto, “In The Name of the Lord”) was most likely for the seven star Confederate 1st national flag that the Legion had already received as a gift. While it is not known if Colonel Cobb was reimbursed by Governor Joseph E. Brown for these purchases, the “Regimental Flag & Streamer” and the “Squadron Flag & Staff.” may well be the only recorded examples of Georgia “state” flags conforming to the 1861 “pattern” acquired in accordance with Section 1092 of the Georgia 1861 Code. Both the Confederate “Stars & Bars” and the Georgia “state” flag were captured at the Battle of Crampton’s Pass on 14 September 1862. While the 1st national flag survives, the Georgia “state” flag and its accompanying streamer have disappeared, leaving its dimensions, the color of its field, and the placement of the Georgia coat-of-arms open to speculation.
Johnny_Reb_1865
09-02-2018, 06:06 AM
Guibor's Battery, Missouri Light Artillery, C.S.A.
Pattern: Army of Northern Virginia flag; silk. Variant: rectangular field, no edging on cross. Double-sided.
Stars: Thirteen white silk, 5-pointed.
Border: 2 1/2 inches gold metallic fringe on 3 sides.
Attachment: Tacked/nailed across top. Narrow sleeve on hoist edge may have served as original method of hoist.
Unit Designation: "Guibor's Battery" in gold paint on white crescent moon near upper edge, on both sides.
Battle Honors: In gold paint, on both sides, "Carthage", "Dry Wood", "Elk Horn", "Oak Hill", "Lexington", "Corinth".
Flag of "Guibor's Battery" (Capt. Henry Guibor) Missouri Light Artillery. Made by the Ladies of St. Louis, Missouri, 1862. Presented to the unit in January 1863 and carried until the surrender of Vicksburg, Mississippi, July 1863.
This battery first served as a Missouri Volunteer Militia unit and was present at the capture of Camp Jackson (St. Louis, Mo.) on May 10, 1861. Later it served in the Missouri State Guard as part of the 6th Division. After the State of Missouri became the 12th State of the Confederacy, Guibor's Battery entered Confederate service in early 1862. It was soon combined with Montgomery Brown's Louisiana Battery on June 30, 1862. Guibor's Battery was armed with four 6-lb smoothbores that were surrendered at Vicksburg, Mississippi on July 4, 1863. After parole, it became rearmed with four 12-1b Napoleons and served under Gen. Joseph Johnston. The unit was heavily involved in the Atlanta Campaign, participating in numerous battles until the capture of the city. Guibor's Battery then served with Hood during his ill fated Winter Campaign of 1864, suffering great loss at the Battle of Franklin. Guibor's command, after retreating into NC surrendered at Greensboro on April 26, 1865 with the rest of the Army of Tennessee.
Engagements:
Battle of Carthage
Battle of Oak Hills
Battle of Dry Wood
Battle of Lexington
Battle of Elkhorn Tavern
Battle of Iuka
Battle of Corinth
Battle of Grand Gulf
Battle of Bayou Pierre
Battle of Baker's Creek
Battle of Big Black
Siege of Vicksburg
Atlanta Campaign
Battle of Resaca
Battle of Adairsville
Battle of Cassville
Battle of New Hope Church
Battle of Lost Mt.
Battle of Kennesaw Mt.
Battle of Smyrna Church
Battle of Peach Tree Creek
Battle of Franklin
Battle of Nashville
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40411078_10212813239630211_8113212141474938880_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=596d94ef35864ead7df1625663631061&oe=5C2AC5C7
Rusty Shackleford
09-06-2018, 08:20 PM
https://civilwartalk.com/attachments/579616_284113975063463_1367760474_n-jpg.17889/
Here is an original flag of Stand Watie's Cherokee Braves.
The flag was one of two captured by Lieutenant David Whittaker of Company B, 10th Regiment Kansas Volunteer Infantry at Locust Grove, Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory, on July 3, 1862.
This flag was carried by Stand Watie’s Cherokee Mounted Rifles; the body of the flag is the First National pattern flag of the Confederate States; the canton is blue with eleven white stars in a circle, surrounding five red stars representing the Five Civilized Tribes (Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Seminole); the large red star in the center represents the Cherokee Nation
http://www.civilwarvirtualmuseum.org/1861-1862/native-americans-in-the-war/images/cherokee-braves-flag-medium.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Cherokee_Mounted_Rifles
Under the command of General Stand Watie, they excelled in the western theatre. They fought in a number of battles and skirmishes in the western Confederate states, including the Indian Territory, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, and Texas. Watie's force reportedly fought in more battles west of the Mississippi River than any other unit.
Stand Watie was promoted to brigadier general by General Samuel Bell Maxey on May 10, 1864, though he did not receive word of his promotion until after he led the ambush of the steamboat J. R. Williams on July 16, 1864. He commanded the First Indian Brigade of the Army of the Trans-Mississippi, composed of two regiments of Mounted Rifles and three battalions of Cherokee, Seminole and Osage infantry. These troops were based south of the Canadian River, and periodically crossed the river into Union territory
Watie took part in what is considered to be the greatest (and most famous) Confederate victory in Indian Territory, the Second Battle of Cabin Creek, which took place in what is now Mayes County, Oklahoma on September 19, 1864. He and General Richard Montgomery Gano led a raid that captured a Federal wagon train and netted approximately $1 million worth of wagons, mules, commissary supplies, and other needed items. Stand Watie's forces massacred black haycutters at Wagoner, Oklahoma during this raid. Union reports said that Watie's Indian cavalry "killed all the Negroes they could find", including wounded men.
On June 23, 1865, at Doaksville in the Choctaw Nation, Watie signed a cease-fire agreement (he did NOT surrender) with Union representatives for his command, the First Indian Brigade of the Army of the Trans-Mississippi. He was the last Confederate general in the field to stop fighting
Ben H. Phillips
09-08-2018, 03:16 AM
Thought i put some Tennessee Flags here
(Note: These are just a few of them)
http://www.leonidaspolk.org/6%206%202014%20with%20maybe%20all%20photosPolk%20P attern%20Flag_files/pcf-first-tenn.gif
https://staffordcountymuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Tennessee-Infantry-Regimental-Flag.gif
https://i0.wp.com/farm1.static.flickr.com/84/369517940_e08d976bac.jpg
http://www.7thtennessee.com/uploads/7/8/6/1/78611440/7th-tn-flag.png?288
http://salthorse63.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/newflag1.jpg
http://tennesseestatemilitia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/10th-Tennessee-Volunteer-Infantry.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/63/13/6c631350dbebaaa654797b2474497fe4.gif
https://i3.wp.com/www.16thtenn.com/tenn_battle-flags_8.jpg
http://sostngovbuckets.s3.amazonaws.com/tsla/history/military/civil_war/images/17tn.gif
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jWXJG0z_-GE/TbHkirYyxtI/AAAAAAAACkk/Y-DO5j76cGw/s1600/TN18-reg-flag.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/022804Drill_003.jpg/200px-022804Drill_003.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/56/4b/f8/564bf88f1466d746dd4c41afe6eb4d8e.gif
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlSZ8YgCy1OE4VL1aq89JctmCDh5oWz p2TCCNuxmudGpPEIcwp
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6a/7d/ba/6a7dba11e0b2a69c2fc840c48a495466--george-henry-rebel-yell.jpg
McMuffin
09-08-2018, 03:20 AM
Question for some people, is anyone able to find some original Kentucky units flags (11th, 9th, so on so forth)? I'm really struggling to find some originals.
Ben H. Phillips
09-09-2018, 05:48 PM
Question for some people, is anyone able to find some original Kentucky units flags (11th, 9th, so on so forth)? I'm really struggling to find some originals.
i checked sadly only ones i could find is 4th & 6th CSA wise Union wise there are plenty here of some Kentucky units https://www.history.ky.gov/military/pdf/Curators%20Corner%20-%20Flags.pdf
The Regimental (State) Flag, First Georgia Regulars (the reverse of this flag, was the first confederate national flag, making it a rare double sided standard)
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The ANV Battle Flag of the First Georgia Regulars
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Battle Flag of Company B First Georgia Regulars
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Johnny_Reb_1865
09-20-2018, 06:38 AM
Calhoun South Carolina Artillery Flag 1861 (Both Sides)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/charlestonmuseum/14084023193/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/charlestonmuseum/14063977835/
A. P. Hill
09-25-2018, 10:55 PM
I found this PUBLICATION (https://archive.org/details/1905001) very informative. :)
Enjoy.
Ben H. Phillips
10-04-2018, 07:59 AM
Nice find A.P. Hill
Johnny_Reb_1865
10-15-2018, 01:02 PM
9547
2nd Florida Cavalry
Johnny_Reb_1865
01-09-2019, 04:48 PM
First and Second South Carolina Cavalry.
http://www.adair-holland.com/1stsc.html
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Johnny_Reb_1865
01-16-2019, 05:13 PM
10404
45th Alabama Infantry Regiment Company "B" "The Dixie Sledge Guards".
Rbater
04-02-2019, 10:43 PM
1072510726
10727 Reproduction of the 1st Maryland (later 2nd Maryland) C.S.A. Both regiments being ancestors to today's 175th Infantry (5th Maryland) which is a part of the Maryland Army National Guard. The flag is also seen depicted in this print:
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Flags from the Maryland 5th Regiment Armory Museum.
Johnny_Reb_1865
04-05-2019, 12:35 AM
https://teva.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15138coll3/id/1/
10732
Johnny_Reb_1865
04-05-2019, 10:07 AM
Third Texas Cavalry flag.
https://historical.ha.com/itm/military-and-patriotic/civil-war/third-texas-cavalry-confederate-flag-the-lone-star-defenders-on-june-13-1861-a-new-regiment-of-1097-enthusiastic-texan/a/619-25818.s
Third Texas Cavalry Company K flag.
https://historical.ha.com/itm/military-and-patriotic/impeccably-provenanced-confederate-silk-first-national-battleflag-of-co-k-3rd-texas-cavalry-used-at-the-battles-of-oak-hil/a/6083-52191.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ArchiveSearchResults-012417&lotPosition=0|25
3rd Tennessee Infantry Regiment flag.
https://historical.ha.com/itm/military-and-patriotic/confederate-battle-flag-of-the-3rd-tennessee-infantry-captured-at-fort-donelson-this-late-1861-confederate-hardee-1st-patte/a/642-25476.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ArchiveSearchResults-012417&lotPosition=0|140
https://historical.ha.com/itm/military-and-patriotic/30-x-36-blue-silk-handpainted-center-section-of-the-presentation-flag-of-the-mississippi-rifles-escort-and-honor-guar/a/6083-52201.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ArchiveSearchResults-012417&lotPosition=0|192
https://historical.ha.com/itm/military-and-patriotic/rare-pattern-character-laden-32-star-american-flag-captured-at-1st-bull-run-by-thomas-cawood-co-k-3d-tennessee-infantry-m/a/6002-72304.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ArchiveSearchResults-012417&lotPosition=0|197
RamRod73
04-05-2019, 06:18 PM
1072510726
10727 Reproduction of the 1st Maryland (later 2nd Maryland) C.S.A. Both regiments being ancestors to today's 175th Infantry (5th Maryland) which is a part of the Maryland Army National Guard. The flag is also seen depicted in this print:
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Flags from the Maryland 5th Regiment Armory Museum.
Where is the 5th Reg. Armory Museum? Is it at the armory? I'm originally from Baltimore and don't remember a museum all the times I went there while in HS.
Rbater
04-05-2019, 10:18 PM
Where is the 5th Reg. Armory Museum? Is it at the armory? I'm originally from Baltimore and don't remember a museum all the times I went there while in HS.
The Museum is in the Armory. They have had one since 1982. When you enter the main entrance, it was to the left. It's only open if you call ahead because they have 1 tour guide to explain the significance of the big items. I believe they just recently, like within the past 6 or so years, made the exhibits more akin to something you would see at a Smithsonian museum since before they were more like very small exhibits. I went and saw it all because I created the 2019 Maryland Preservation Award video for their work on refurbishing the WWI mural above the main entrance.
RamRod73
04-05-2019, 10:46 PM
The Museum is in the Armory. They have had one since 1982. When you enter the main entrance, it was to the left. It's only open if you call ahead because they have 1 tour guide to explain the significance of the big items. I believe they just recently, like within the past 6 or so years, made the exhibits more akin to something you would see at a Smithsonian museum since before they were more like very small exhibits. I went and saw it all because I created the 2019 Maryland Preservation Award video for their work on refurbishing the WWI mural above the main entrance.
Thanks I've been then a handful of times while in HS JROTC and totally missed the museum. Something I would have iked to peeped out.
Rbater
04-06-2019, 12:18 AM
Thanks I've been then a handful of times while in HS JROTC and totally missed the museum. Something I would have iked to peeped out. Next time I go, I'll get better pics of everything and can send them to you. Most of my pics were crap since we had to hurry because we had another interview that day at the Walters Art Museum.
Johnny_Reb_1865
04-08-2019, 07:33 AM
Flag Captured During The Battle Of The Wilderness May 5-7th 1864
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Battle Honors:
Williamsburg
Seven Pines
Cold Harbor
South Mountain
Sharpsburg
Fredricksburg
Chancellorsville
Gettysburg
Historical Notes:
The North Carolina 13th Infantry Regiment, formerly the 3rd Volunteers, was organized at Garysburg, North Carolina, in May, 1861, with 1,100 men. Its members were recruited in Caswell, Mecklenburg, Davie, Edgecombe, and Rockingham counties. Ordered to Virginia, the unit wa s assigned to General Colston's, Garland's, Pender's, and Scales' Brigade. It shared in the many campaigns of the Army of Northern Virginia from Williamsburg to Cold Harbor , endured the battles and hardships of the Petersburg trenches south of the James River, and took part in the Appomattox operations. This regi ment totalled 575 effectives in April, 1862, lost 29 killed and 80 wounded during the Seven Days' Battles, and had 41 killed and 149 wounded in the Maryland Campaign. It reported 37 casualties at Fredericksburg and 216 at Chancellorsville . Of the 232 engaged at Gettysburg , more than seventy-five percent were disabled. It surrendered 22 officers and 193 men.
Officers:
Colonels Joseph H. Hyman, William D. Pender, and Alfred M. Scales; Lieutenant Colonels W.S. Guy, Henry A. Rogers, Thomas Ruffin, Jr., and E. Benton Withers; and Majors John T. Hambrick, D.H. Hamilton, Jr., and T.A. Martin.
Regimental Roster:
http://civilwardata.com/active/hdsquery.dll?Muster?123&C
Assignments:
May '61 to Nov '61 Dept of Norfolk
Nov '61 to Apr '62 Colston's Brigade, Dept of Norfolk
Apr '62 to Apr '62, Colston's Brigade, Army of Peninsula
Apr '62 to Jun '62, Colston's Brigade, Longstreet's Division, Army of Northern Virginia
Jun '62 to Sep '62, Garland's Brigade, D.H. Hill's Division, 2nd Corps, Army of Northern Virginia
Oct '62 to May '63, Pender's Brigade, A.P. Hill's Division, 2nd Corps, Army of Northern Virginia
May '63 to Apr '65, Scales'Brigade, Pender's/Wilcox's Division, 3rd Corps, Army of Northern Virginia
Battles:
New Bern (March 14, 1862)
Seven Days Battles (June 25-July 1, 1862)
Malvern Cliff (June 30, 1862)
Malvern Hill (July 1, 1862) South Mountain (September 14, 1862)
Antietam (September 17, 1862)
Fredericksburg (December 13, 1862)
Gum Swamp (May 22, 1863)
South Anna Bridge (July 4, 1863)
Bristoe Campaign (October-November 1863)
Bristoe Station (October 14, 1863)
Mine Run Campaign (November-December 1863)
The Wilderness (May 5-6, 1864)
Spotsylvania Court House (May 8-21, 1864)
North Anna (May 22-26, 1864)
Cold Harbor (June 1-3, 1864)
Petersburg Siege (June 1864-April 1865)
Globe Tavern (August 18-21, 1864)
Reams' Station (August 25, 1864)
Jones' Farm (September 30, 1864)
Squirrel Level Road (September 30, 1864)
Harman Road (October 2, 1864)
Hatcher's Run (February 5-7, 1865)
Petersburg Final Assualt (April 2, 1865)
Appomattox Court House (April 9, 1865) [/I][/B]
The Captain of Company I 13th NC; R.S. Williams wrote in the regiments history following the war:
“We moved down on them on the right of the road. Charge after charge was made. We drove the enemy back some two miles. We were kept in until our boys had exhausted their sixty rounds, or some had, and during that time a goodly number of the Thirteenth had gone down to rise no more. That was the first day’s battle with Grant and Lee. The next morning, not long after daylight, supposing Lane’s North Carolina and Thomas’ Georgia brigades were still in our front, we were lying behind some old logs and such we could pick up. General Scales and our Colonel Hyman were standing behind our company talking when one of the sergeants called to me and said : Look In Front ! I looked and the woods were blue with the enemy ! I turned to the Colonel and General Scales to tell them. The enemy were coming closer behind us. I told them to look; we were about surrounded. General Scales waved his sword above his head and called on the men to follow him. He dashed off at right angles and took his brigade out by the right flank. They opened fire on us and a goodly number were wounded.”
It was during this time the regiment’s flag was captured. Private Grief Mason of Davie County, NC and Company F, refused to surrender the flag to Sergeant Steven Rought, Company A, 141st PA. Infantry. Rought crushed Mason’s skull with the butt of his rifle, and took his trophy amid the cheers of his comrades.
Johnny_Reb_1865
04-08-2019, 09:43 AM
https://www.warofrightsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10757&d=1554672700
1st Maryland Infantry Regiment's Flag, CSA
https://www.warofrightsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10758&d=1554672714
2nd Maryland Infantry Regiment's Flag, CSA
Rbater
04-08-2019, 07:12 PM
https://www.warofrightsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10757&d=1554672700
1st Maryland Infantry Regiment's Flag, CSA
https://www.warofrightsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10758&d=1554672714
2nd Maryland Infantry Regiment's Flag, CSA
You're welcome for those :)
Rbater
04-11-2019, 07:18 AM
1st MD
1085010851108521085310854
2nd MD
108551085610857108581085910860
1st MD Cav
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Co. B "MD Guard" 21st VA
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Johnny_Reb_1865
04-11-2019, 10:56 AM
You're welcome for those :)
Iol thanks
DixieGiftshop
05-08-2019, 03:13 PM
This thread is great! I found it looking for examples of flags that seem to be spread out around the 'net and its great to see so many in one place! I have flags reproduced if anyone is looking for a particular one.
Johnny_Reb_1865
06-22-2019, 04:55 AM
May I see a few of your flags?
Geoseogan
08-08-2019, 05:37 PM
Thomas' Legion
11261
PB-[19thVA]Qms. Dude
02-11-2020, 07:52 PM
11637
19th Virginia Infantry
Johnny_Reb_1865
02-22-2020, 05:20 AM
11664
3rd Arkansas Infantry Regiment Company "H".
Their flag is visible here as a first national pattern with white fringe it's stars are aligned similarly as the U.S. flag and numbering seven.
Could anyone possibly recreate this flag?
Johnny_Reb_1865
02-23-2020, 04:06 PM
11672
Johnny_Reb_1865
02-29-2020, 12:02 PM
6th South Carolina Infantry Regiment
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A recreation of the original 1861 silk issue flag.
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The original 1861 silk issue flag.
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Second issue flag.
This flag was used after the first flag was retired after the battle of Second Manassas.
Johnny_Reb_1865
06-26-2020, 04:10 AM
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First national pattern flag belonging to the 18th Tennessee Infantry Regiment. Captured at Fort Donaldson.
Has anyone been able to find an example of the Flag of Rowans Battery, 1st North Carolina Regiment Artillery? Closest I have managed is the regimental flag but no artillery flag yet. Wondering if there is one.
Elderly
09-30-2020, 08:25 AM
so why is the 33rd VA battle flag a company guidon, hell it is the wrong size for one? 12128 These are the two options they should have 1212912130.
Bradley
09-30-2020, 12:26 PM
so why is the 33rd VA battle flag a company guidon, hell it is the wrong size for one? 12128 These are the two options they should have 1212912130.
Hey Elderly,
A number of companies carried non-depot issued flags in the Maryland Campaign of 1862, which is the setting of War of Rights. To name a few non-standards you would have seen at Antietam: 1st Texas, 5th Texas, Hampton's Legion, 47th Alabama, 6th Louisiana, 28th Massachusetts, 69th New York, 42nd Pennsylvania, and the list goes on. I found no evidence to overthrow the strong possibility that the 33rd Virginia and especially the 8th Alabama (whose depot-issued regimental colors had been captured a month or two prior) carried their Irish colors into battle. Fun trivia: the 33rd Virginia flag is briefly seen in the opening sequence of Gods And Generals and I think also in the Battle of Fredericksburg (December 1862) sequence.
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Being homemade or privately commissioned, there was no standard size for these so-called "company flags" in either army, although most Union colors deliberately matched the general proportions of a Federal Issue flag, approximately 6 x 6. The Confederacy had no such standard in 1861 when most of these flags were made. As in the case of the 33rd Virginia's Emerald Guards flag, few of them survived, and those that have survived and can be found in archives rarely have included dimensions. But, they varied from 4' to over 8' in length. The Texas flags, for example, were roughly 7x5, Hampton's Legion is said to have been 8x6, the 47th Alabama was, I think, around 6x5.
Of the "two options" you have shared here for the 33rd Virginia, the battle flag is obviously incorrect for War of Rights. This is a Third Issue which the 33rd Virginia would have receive in June or July of 1863. A dead giveaway is the "HARPERS FERRY" and "SHARPSBURG" aka Antietam battle honor inscribed on the field. Obviously this would not have been carried at Antietam.
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The appropriate battle flag for most of the Confederate regiments in this game is the Second Issue and the 33rd Virginia should also spawn with one of these (it doesn't, yet).
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P.S. Thanks for the kind words on Steam. :rolleyes:
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Ghost30
09-30-2020, 08:25 PM
Don't listen to him Bradley that flag is amazing and should be kept in the game
Elderly
09-30-2020, 10:59 PM
The Emerald Guard flag WAS ONLY CARRIED BY COMPANY E. The other companies did not carry that flag. The Emerald Guard also was not the color company of the 33rd Virginia. the 33rd carried a Virginia State Flag and the Army of Northern Virginia 2nd Bunting Battle Flag.
On October 30, 1861 Capt. Charles Blackford wrote "All the Virginia Regiments in striking distance of this place were collected around one of the forts and the State flags were presented to them by Gov. Letcher. I suppose we had some ten thousand troops massed and all the Generals, colonels and staff officers making quite an imposing show. The flags are very handsome and all alike, so every Virginia regiment fights under the same flag" Scollins, Rick, and Gerry Embleton. Flags of the American Civil War 3: State & Volunteer, by Philip Katcher, Osprey, 1994, pp. 33–34.
Arms and Equipment of the Confederacy. Time-Life Books, 1998, p 250.
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Hotchkiss, Jed. Four Years in the Stonewall Brigade. By John O. Casler, Ex-Commander Oklahoma Division United Confederate Veterans, Private Company A, 33d Regiment Virginia Infantry, Stonewall Brigade, 1st Division, 2d Corps, Army of Northern Virginia, Gen. Robert E. Lee, Commanding ... Second Edition, Revised, Corrected and Improved by Maj. Jed Hotchkiss ... Girard, Kansas, Appeal Publishing Company, 1906, by John Overton Casler, Continental Book Co., 1951, p. 56.
Tyler28256
10-01-2020, 04:01 PM
The Emerald Guard flag WAS ONLY CARRIED BY COMPANY E. The other companies did not carry that flag. The Emerald Guard also was not the color company of the 33rd Virginia. the 33rd carried a Virginia State Flag and the Army of Northern Virginia 2nd Bunting Battle Flag.
On October 30, 1861 Capt. Charles Blackford wrote "All the Virginia Regiments in striking distance of this place were collected around one of the forts and the State flags were presented to them by Gov. Letcher. I suppose we had some ten thousand troops massed and all the Generals, colonels and staff officers making quite an imposing show. The flags are very handsome and all alike, so every Virginia regiment fights under the same flag" Scollins, Rick, and Gerry Embleton. Flags of the American Civil War 3: State & Volunteer, by Philip Katcher, Osprey, 1994, pp. 33–34.
Arms and Equipment of the Confederacy. Time-Life Books, 1998, p 250.
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Hotchkiss, Jed. Four Years in the Stonewall Brigade. By John O. Casler, Ex-Commander Oklahoma Division United Confederate Veterans, Private Company A, 33d Regiment Virginia Infantry, Stonewall Brigade, 1st Division, 2d Corps, Army of Northern Virginia, Gen. Robert E. Lee, Commanding ... Second Edition, Revised, Corrected and Improved by Maj. Jed Hotchkiss ... Girard, Kansas, Appeal Publishing Company, 1906, by John Overton Casler, Continental Book Co., 1951, p. 56.
I found no evidence to overthrow the strong possibility that the 33rd Virginia and especially the 8th Alabama (whose depot-issued regimental colors had been captured a month or two prior) carried their Irish colors into battle.
The appropriate battle flag for most of the Confederate regiments in this game is the Second Issue and the 33rd Virginia should also spawn with one of these (it doesn't, yet).
The source is from October of 1861, so of course they'd would have their newly issued flag at that time. This game is set in September of 1862 about 11 months after they got their flag issued to them even though the flag you posted is from 1863. Bradley stated they're adding the second issue flag soon, so I personally don't understand what the issue is. :P
Elderly
10-01-2020, 05:10 PM
The 8th Alabama colors were captured not the 33rd's. The issue is that a company flag is being passed off as a regimental flag when this is being touted as historically accurate. Yes the flag looks cool but this is not what the 33rd fought under and should not be passed off as such.
Bradley
11-26-2020, 04:56 PM
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In honor of Thanksgiving, I am updating the "Stars and Bars" side of the "other" Emerald Guard flag, that belonging to the 8th Alabama Infantry. I've never been very happy with the depiction of George Washington on the flag, and so I have painted the Virginian from scratch, based on a popular sculpture of the period, and wreathed in a style common to many flags of the early war period.
Gerry O'hara
02-26-2021, 05:18 PM
Cobb's Infantry Battalion flags:
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Troup's Artillery flag:
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goondawg
03-09-2021, 07:19 PM
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6th Georgia Infantry Regiment
Ol'Texan
03-11-2021, 03:58 AM
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Bradley
03-11-2021, 07:31 PM
The above flag is a work in progress.
Johnny_Reb_1865
07-02-2021, 09:52 PM
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Company A 1st Maryland Infantry Regiment C.S.A.
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1st Kentucky Infantry Regiment C.S.A "Alexander Guards"
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10th Texas Cavalry Regiment
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10th Texas Cavalry Regiment Company "E".
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7th Tennessee Infantry Regiment "Lebanon Greys".
Note: This flag was originally white in color.
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Detail of the state seal.
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Tyler's Guards 1864.
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Chesapeake Artillery. (This flag flew during the Maryland Campaign.)
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Marion Light Artillery.
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2nd Florida Infantry, Company "G," ‘St. John’s Greys.
Johnny_Reb_1865
09-06-2021, 08:32 AM
Some interesting Georgia flags.
https://georgiahistory.com/education-outreach/online-exhibits/online-exhibits/conquered-banners-georgias-civil-war-flags/
Johnny_Reb_1865
02-14-2022, 12:58 PM
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A reproduction based off the original flag of the "Yadkin Grey Eagles" 11th North Carolina Infantry and Co. A, 1st Battalion North Carolina Sharpshooters.
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Cabinet card of Major Reuben E. Wilson and the flag of the Yadkin Gray Eagles, 11th North Carolina Infantry and Co. A, 1st Battalion North Carolina Sharpshooters!
The Yadkin Gray Eagles were the first company raised in Yadkin County, North Carolina. Upon their arrival in Virginia, the company was mustered into Confederate service as Company B, 11th Regiment North Carolina Volunteers, later the 21st Regiment North Carolina State Troops.
At the reorganization of the Confederate army at Manassass in February 1862, Companies B and E were detatched from the regiment and redesignated Companies A and B, 1st Battalion North Carolina Sharpshooters.Lt. Reuben E. Wilson of Company B was promoted to Captain on the company. When the battalion commander was promoted to regimental command, Wilson was promoted to major and given command of the battalion.
This battalion was an active participant in nearly every battle fought by the Army of Northern Virginia, from Manassas to Appomattox, and because of what was called their "peculiar and efficient drill", engaged in many skirmishes in which the main army did not participate.
The above flag was presented to the Yadkin Gray Eagles upon their departure for Virginia. It was made from the silk dresses of the young ladies of the county and presented to the company by Miss Lou Glen, later Mrs. Joseph Williams. The captain, in receiving it on behalf of the company, closed his speach with these words:
"When this cruel war is over, Miss Lou,
This flag untarnished shall be returned to you."
This is perhaps the only Confederate company flag that was carried through twenty-six battles, from Manassas to Appomattox, through the war and returned "untarnished," to its donors. In 1898, the daughter of Mrs. Williams, Mrs. Robert Daniels, was the guardian of the flag. THe flag was later presented to the state of North Carolina.
On August 9, 1862, in a charge against the enemy near Warrenton, Va., Major Wilson was severly wounded when a minie ball broke both bones of the right forearm. At the same time, his left leg was shattered below the knee ba a grape-shot, which disabled him for several months. On April 2, 1865, in a charge at Petersburg, he was again wounded, his left leg cut off by a shell. He was hospitalized, paroled on April 21, rearrested, and taken to Libby Prison, where he remained until December 20, 1865.
When life returned to normal, Major Wilson ran a successful mercantile business in Augusta, Georgia.
This photograph is a post-war picture of Major WIlson flanked by the flag of his company, the Yadkin Gray Eagles.
This information came from "The Flags of CIvil War North Carolina" by Glenn Dedmondt and the "Confederate Veteran" magazine.
https://www.yadkinripple.com/news/5939/gray-eagles-to-raise-funds-for-historic-flag-conservation
SaltwaterCowboy
02-19-2022, 11:19 PM
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Florida Secession Flag - 1861
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Florida State Flag - 1861
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Florida State Flag - 1861
Johnny_Reb_1865
05-11-2022, 05:16 AM
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Confederate Veterans Of "A" Company 57th Georgia pose with their original Wartime flag.
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/torn-confederate-battleflag-57th-georgia-veterans-133-c-ad747a3b03
Johnny_Reb_1865
06-03-2022, 06:02 AM
15TH SOUTH CAROLINA HEAVY ARTILLERY BATTALION “LUCAS ARTILLERY”.
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https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/3355-386/
A. P. Hill
06-03-2022, 11:19 PM
Those are nice Johnny. But sadly that outfit didn't see service that I saw, from the history, with the AoNVA. So likely will not make it to the game.
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