Regiment Suggestions and Bugs

[Hinkel]

Hey guys,

with the last major update, we introduced over 30+ new regiments and reworked most other regiments.

If you have any suggestions, regarding their uniforms or other items, please use this thread. You can also post character/uniform bugs, if you find some issues (eg. missing hair, hair color not matching with the beard).

Looking forward to your suggestions and reports! :)

[McMuffin]

So, this is a general thing for any uniform on both sides that has any equipment or assortment of accouterments. The equipment, especially around the waist, will tend to clip in and out of the model. It is pretty small, and most people do not notice it because they are not looking down, but, if you are asking for uniform bugs, there you go.

[Bravescot]

Small thing like shoulder boards on US officers needing some cleaning up as they are something clipped through and I can occationally seen through my own waist line into the ground

[C. Moser]

Suggestion- maybe its me but I feel we need more Confederate officers with slouch hats. Or maybe just more variations of slouch hats period.

[A. P. Hill]

... and I can occationally seen through my own waist line into the ground

We're all just hollow shells of a man. :)

[RhettVito]

Having the bedroll over the left shoulder

[Kyle422]

Changing the red trim that goes up the back of the 72nd Pa's uniform as its not historically correct. The 72nd PA had no trim running up the back of the uniform only around the edges."note the back of the original uniform of the 72nd PA I am posting below"

https://imgur.com/7wsNrGF.png

[Tyler28256]

I am Captain Tyler Dicembrino, commander of the 9th New York "Hawkins' Zouaves" Company A. As a reenactor in real life I take pride reliving and honoring my unit's history. After researching the 9th for the past month I've come to the realization that the 9th's officer uniforms you guys made are wrong. There are also issues with the belts since the 9th used grenadier belts and not standard US belts. The last issue I could find was the 9th not having jambieres. Is there any possible way this issue can be resolved? There is no rush to do the fix nor do you guys have to do it. I hope the War of Rights team finds it fit to do this change (and maybe even overhaul the unit in general). Thank you for your time. Below are photos of the 9th New York that I've found.

https://preview.ibb.co/nhaH1x/image_3.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/nFtRuH/KFerguson_Zouave.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/bAG71x/3295_136453794059.jpg

https://preview.ibb.co/eSFZgx/Col_Rush_A_Hawkins_NARA_528150.jpg

https://preview.ibb.co/mRYRuH/officers_men1861.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/jdYHZH/image_1.jpg

[Hinkel]

I've come to the realization that the 9th's officer uniforms you guys made are wrong.

We changed the look of the officers like 6 weeks ago. 2nd Lt., 1st Lt. and Captains have the Zouave uniforms since that time.
Senior Officers like Lt. Col. and Colonel have the standard issued frock coat :)

But there might be some more adjustments soon or later.

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[Tyler28256]

My apologies.

[Hinkel]

My apologies.

Na, its alright :)

Like I said, there will be some suggestions soon, since its not the final outfit. But its getting more to their historical outfit right now.

[Tyler28256]

We changed the look of the officers like 6 weeks ago. 2nd Lt., 1st Lt. and Captains have the Zouave uniforms since that time.
Senior Officers like Lt. Col. and Colonel have the standard issued frock coat :)

But there might be some more adjustments soon or later.

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The one part I noticed with this is that both of the officer pictures I posted show both Colonels, Rush C. Hawkins (Founder) and Edgar A. Kimball (Colonel during Antietam), have the same style uniform as the other officers. So besides that the only other thing I saw with the 9th as a whole in-game was the belt (grenade instead of US) for the enlisted.

https://image.ibb.co/bAG71x/3295_136453794059.jpg

[Hinkel]

The one part I noticed with this is that both of the officer pictures I posted show both Colonels, Rush C. Hawkins (Founder) and Edgar A. Kimball (Colonel during Antietam), have the same style uniform as the other officers. So besides that the only other thing I saw with the 9th as a whole in-game was the belt (grenade instead of US) for the enlisted.

https://image.ibb.co/bAG71x/3295_136453794059.jpg

The pictures shows their parade uniforms.

[Tyler28256]

The pictures shows their parade uniforms.

Ah alright.

[RhettVito]

Would you be able to the bedroll on the left shoulder?

[McMuffin]

Would you be able to the bedroll on the left shoulder?

Why not have them put it on both, some have it on the right, some on the left.

[RhettVito]

Changing the red trim that goes up the back of the 72nd Pa's uniform as its not historically correct. The 72nd PA had no trim running up the back of the uniform only around the edges."note the back of the original uniform of the 72nd PA I am posting below"

https://imgur.com/7wsNrGF.png

I would like if this could be done to the 72ndPA's jacket. Also, the jacket in-game at the moment is too short .

[Saris]

39th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment "Garibaldi Guard," wore a distinct uniform similar to that of Giuseppe Garibaldi's Red Shirts who fought in the campaigns to unite Italy. The 39th NY was stationed in Harpers Ferry during the siege and defended the right flank on Bolivar Heights. If anybody can confirm that this regiment wore their distinct uniform during the siege, that would be great!

https://i.imgur.com/OWjnFe1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Rikrnmj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eGSbOod.png
https://i.imgur.com/JtE7mDp.jpg

[Tyler28256]

39th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment "Garibaldi Guard," wore a distinct uniform similar to that of Giuseppe Garibaldi's Red Shirts who fought in the campaigns to unite Italy. The 39th NY was stationed in Harpers Ferry during the siege and defended the right flank on Bolivar Heights. If anybody can confirm that this regiment wore their distinct uniform during the siege, that would be great!

https://i.imgur.com/OWjnFe1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Rikrnmj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eGSbOod.png
https://i.imgur.com/JtE7mDp.jpg

I can confirm since I've met, talked to, and done stuff with the reenactment group.

[Saris]

I can confirm since I've met, talked to, and done stuff with the reenactment group.

Thanks! Possibly they'll be included in the future!

[Tyler28256]

Thanks! Possibly they'll be included in the future!

Hope so. They're a unique and amazing looking unit. Also hope they do my fixes ;)

[Shebby]

7th Wisconsin needs to be added into the game aswell

[Hinkel]

7th Wisconsin needs to be added into the game aswell

With the 2nd and 6th Wisconsin already ingame, there is no need for another regiment of the Iron Brigade for a while :)

[Tyler28256]

With the 2nd and 6th Wisconsin already ingame, there is no need for another regiment of the Iron Brigade for a while :)

*cough* Garibaldi Guard should be added *cough*

[1SGT Shannon]

15th SC Infantry. But I might be biased.:rolleyes:

[Tyler28256]

First one is simple: Is it possible to change the 9th NY Major's hat from the blue kepi to the Zouave kepi like the other officer ranks have?
https://image.ibb.co/gTAwO8/Screenshot_6.png

Second one also may be simple: The officer uniforms (Lieutenants-Colonel) as I've noticed have their left shoulder board clipped into the shoulder while the right side is perfectly fine.
https://image.ibb.co/hiXhwT/Screenshot_7.png https://image.ibb.co/nq69bT/Screenshot_9.png https://image.ibb.co/fZs4Ao/Screenshot_10.png

The final issue may be difficult: Is it possible to move the haversack, and canteen more to the back of the lieutenant to prevent the left hand/arm clipping into it? OR just remove it all together for the officers?
https://image.ibb.co/gi85GT/Screenshot_8.png

After some research presented to me by my Corporal we found out that the chevrons were placed wrong on our NCO uniforms. Currently they are on the bicep when they should actually be on the cuff. As shown by the two uniforms below. Both of the men were promoted before Antietam suggesting that it would have been like this by Antietam.

https://www.bidsquare.com/online-auctions/cowans/zouave-uniform-firearms-and-archive-identified-to-charles-reisser-9th-new-york-hawkins-zouaves-197064
https://i.imgur.com/W21fmIk.png

https://historical.ha.com/itm/military-and-patriotic/circa-1865-1866-distinctive-uniform-of-new-york-s-famed-hawkins-zouaves-consists-of-the-jacket-fez-vest-sash-tro/a/6015-57512.s
https://i.imgur.com/PFXa7tw.png

So it looks as if NCOs would have worn their chevrons on their cuffs and flipped upside down.

Sorry for bothering you guys on my uniforms haha. Hopefully you guys can fix the issues! Thanks!

[STOTS]

:D:D

[Saris]

*cough* Garibaldi Guard should be added *cough*

I second this

[TrustyJam]

I second this

I third it. :P

- Trusty

[Tyler28256]

I third it. :P

- Trusty

I fourth my own motion!

[Tyler28256]

You guys are going to hate me for all these 9th NY uniform fixes.

Lieutenant Colonel uniform seems to be bugged
https://i.imgur.com/iRzN3Bj.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/lqJzmig.png

Also I realized that when my guys fix bayonets it showed a sword bayonet (which doesn't go on a 61 springfield) at first then switches to a proper Springfield bayonet.

Sorry again for all these posts ahahah. :)

[Saris]

That happened with the Louisiana Tigers too. But soon after his uniform popped back up.

https://i.imgur.com/HAfGDgA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MRmTJli.jpg

[Redleader]

Noticed it to when testing out different uniforms -> the Major of 2nd South Carolina.

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[Tyler28256]

I had the opportunity to go to Harper's ferry during my trip. I found this in their museum. It seems that the Garibaldi guard would have worn this in combat, and their slouch hat and feather was just their dress uniform.
https://i.imgur.com/wRjAlap.jpg

[TrustyJam]

Nice image! :)

I believe their feathered hats (at least not all of them) weren’t replaced with Kepis until May 16, 1863.

- Trusty

[Tyler28256]

Nice image! :)

I believe their feathered hats (at least not all of them) weren’t replaced with Kepis until May 16, 1863.

- Trusty

If that was the case then I'm not sure why Harper's ferry museum would have that version there. My best guess is the feathered hat was a dress uniform hat, and the kepi was for combat. I could be mistaken though.

[TrustyJam]

If that was the case then I'm not sure why Harper's ferry museum would have that version there. My best guess is the feathered hat was a dress uniform hat, and the kepi was for combat. I could be mistaken though.

I’m also not entirely sure. But the only reference I’ve seen of it stated the above. The museum might not have an original feathered hat (they will have to be very rare, considering them being replaced).

In any case I’d love to get some sources for the hat wear of the GG. :)

- Trusty

[Tyler28256]

I’m also not entirely sure. But the only reference I’ve seen of it stated the above. The museum might not have an original feathered hat (they will have to be very rare, considering them being replaced).

In any case I’d love to get some sources for the hat wear of the GG. :)

- Trusty

Ill do my best. It's not my unit, but I'm from Italian decent. I'd be glad to help. Also after doing research I'm sad to say I'm selling out my own unit. The 9th NY was not engaged at Sherrick and Otto Farm. They were only in Hill's Counter Attack. I went to go see their monument when I was at Antietam and one of the historians there said they weren't there.

[Hinkel]

The 9th NY was not engaged at Sherrick and Otto Farm. They were only in Hill's Counter Attack.

Some regiments are assigned to skirmish maps, even if they did not take part in that area. (Just to add more variation on some maps, instead of adding a generic unit, which look like every other regiment)
If you like, we can remove the 9th NY from Otto farm, so they are just playable on a single map.. Hills Counter Attack ;)

[Tyler28256]

Some regiments are assigned to skirmish maps, even if they did not take part in that area. (Just to add more variation on some maps, instead of adding a generic unit, which look like every other regiment)
If you like, we can remove the 9th NY from Otto farm, so they are just playable on a single map.. Hills Counter Attack ;)

You dont have to hahaha. Just want to let you guys know is all. Any plans on adding Company K in? I see you have them on the company tool (Whiting's Battery).

[Tyler28256]

Being I'm italian i just had to do a 39th NY Flag remake hehehehehe. I couldn't figure out which version is correct, as I've see multiple pictures with both styles.

https://i.imgur.com/nJInaTG.png
https://imgur.com/nJInaTG
https://i.imgur.com/dYu4EnH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fVan8Ro.png
https://imgur.com/fVan8Ro
https://i.imgur.com/ggoXMo6.jpg

[Saris]

Being I'm italian i just had to do a 39th NY Flag remake hehehehehe. I couldn't figure out which version is correct, as I've see multiple pictures with both styles.

https://i.imgur.com/nJInaTG.png
https://imgur.com/nJInaTG
https://i.imgur.com/dYu4EnH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fVan8Ro.png
https://imgur.com/fVan8Ro
https://i.imgur.com/ggoXMo6.jpg

Dio E Popolo!

[Tyler28256]

Dio E Popolo!

Let’s hope they put it in before you release your video on the G.G. ;)

[PAIOLETTI]

Being I'm italian i just had to do a 39th NY Flag remake hehehehehe. I couldn't figure out which version is correct, as I've see multiple pictures with both styles.

https://i.imgur.com/nJInaTG.png
https://imgur.com/nJInaTG
https://i.imgur.com/dYu4EnH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fVan8Ro.png
https://imgur.com/fVan8Ro
https://i.imgur.com/ggoXMo6.jpg

Oh my god, this is just to beautiful to even look at. Tyler please stop before i physically combust. My heart is melting.......(takes a knee and i repeat to myself) Keep watching and praying that you may not come into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak!

[Tyler28256]

Oh my god, this is just to beautiful to even look at. Tyler please stop before i physically combust. My heart is melting.......(takes a knee and i repeat to myself) Keep watching and praying that you may not come into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak!

You think that's hot my friend. Can't wait until I finish the 2nd Florida flag hehehehe.

https://i.imgur.com/j6A9AFT.jpg

[Saris]

One unit I would like to see when South Mountain is released, especially crampon's gap is the 16th New York Infantry. The 16th was placed in the vanguard of the attack for the gap and lost a lot of its men and was held in reserve for the Battle of Antietam. The 16th was uniformed with straw hats with black ribbons, dark blue jacket, sky blue leggings, and brown gaiters.

16th New York by Don Troiani
https://i.imgur.com/LSailvr.jpg
Casualties of the 16th left behind by the Army of the Potomac after the Battle of Gaines Mill
https://i.imgur.com/ESxtyos.png
what's left of their regimental flag
https://i.imgur.com/hmnqgyN.jpg
picture of the 16th during the peninsula campaign
https://i.imgur.com/nyDkwt6.jpg

[SwingKid148]

So besides that the only other thing I saw with the 9th as a whole in-game was the belt (grenade instead of US) for the enlisted.


Here are some more images of the grenade belts: (images pulled from NYS military website and the 9th NY reenactor's group and I found each image's unit roster from the military roll)
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Got this from one of the reenactor's group:
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[SwingKid148]

Here are some more images of the grenade belts: (images pulled from NYS military website and the 9th NY reenactor's group and I found each image's unit roster from the military roll)
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Got this from one of the reenactor's group:
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Another to add to the unknown solider list of the 9th NY:
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[126th NY]

How about a ragged dark tan with an Enfield Rifle for one of the new Texas Regiments

[SwingKid148]

Here are some more images of the grenade belts: (images pulled from NYS military website and the 9th NY reenactor's group and I found each image's unit roster from the military roll)
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Un-named soliders:
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Adding another image:
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[Tyler28256]

We should have actual Confederate Commanders from the American Civil War like General Sam Bell Hood, Nathan Bedford Forest and Robert E Lee for the Confederate side and for the Union General Grant, Sherman and McClellan

Grant, Sherman, and Forrest were no where near the Maryland campaign they were out west fighting at Shiloh in 1862. As far as I know mega backers will have access to historical characters. What does generals have to do with regiment suggestions and bugs? I think you got the wrong forum page.

[STOTS]

Maj Tyler, are you posting from your tent or are you "farbin hard" at the motel 6 ?

[Tyler28256]

Maj Tyler, are you posting from your tent or are you "farbin hard" at the motel 6 ?

From the 3 hour car ride to Long Island for the event actually.

[SwingKid148]

What's the status of the 9th NY fixes? :cool:

[Hinkel]

What's the status of the 9th NY fixes? :cool:

We have no plans to fix the uniforms for now.
We might address this in the future.

[SwingKid148]

We have no plans to fix the uniforms for now.
We might address this in the future.

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[Bleddyn]

Is there any plans on fixing the uniforms for the 1st Texas in WoR and also I am having trouble with my company tools I have gotten acceptance telegrams from volunteers to join my company but I can't recruit them and add them to my company roaster

What fixes are you referring to, other than the lack of a star on the hats?

[Kyle422]

I was noticing in game that the 114th PA are missing trim on their jackets. its missing trim from the back and around the shoulders are also missing trim on the pants

Blow are original jackets and pants for reference

https://imgur.com/KU0q6Yz.png




https://imgur.com/uMY91Yc.png

you can clearly see the trim going from the back and wrapping around the shoulders

https://imgur.com/ATSKSxo.png



https://imgur.com/xh2LfVa.png

https://imgur.com/QdFZuqA.png


https://imgur.com/u8PzDBI.png

[Kyle422]

I also want it to be known you guys have the 114th PA wearing the wrong trousers they are currently wearing pantaloon style trousers. They should be wearing the more slim french style Chasseur style pants. I will provide examples below. You can clearly see in these original pictures they are not wearing the EXTRA BAGGY pants you currently have them wearing in game but are indeed the more slim chasseur style

THESE ARE ALL ORIGINAL 114th PA pictures
Original tin type clearly see they are not wearing the baggy pantaloon style currently in game
https://imgur.com/Y0AseZB.png


https://imgur.com/TWy2uKv.png


https://imgur.com/DAjisWT.png

https://imgur.com/NJpxQc0.png


https://imgur.com/0mEvc2N.png


https://imgur.com/8FSNvIr.png


https://imgur.com/2XKpybF.png


https://imgur.com/C8MYmA3.png


I would really like to see this unit corrected in game one day. There are good resources provided here

[A. P. Hill]

What are the dates of those pictures?

[Kyle422]

What are the dates of those pictures?

I believe they date from 1864 or 65 though it is a late date for the most part the 114th PA uniforms remained the same through the whole war. Even looking at various paintings that people like Don Troiani you can see they Differ from whats in game. More examples below this.

https://imgur.com/v5eMsZe.png

https://imgur.com/um9Augu.png


https://imgur.com/H59F2cy.png

Don Troiani's 114th PA painting I am lucky enough to own the reproduction of the 114th PA jacket Don had made based off his original for the model to wear for this painting
https://imgur.com/RpFxSMG.png

Last but not least an original uniform with pants and fez can clearly see all the pictures and even original uniforms they were not wearing pataloons

https://imgur.com/gjQwU6v.png

[Kyle422]

Would be interesting to know how many of Coppen's (red pantaloon) and Wheat's (blue tick pantaloon) were still wearing a Zouave uniform at Sharpsburg. I have seen zero Zouaves in the Brady photographs of the line occupied and given up by Starke.

I understand what your saying but wheats Zouaves were disbanded before the battle and absorbed into a different company. Also as far as Wheats Zouaves it was to my understanding that only 1 company wore them so roughly around 100 guys.

[Kyle422]

Chasseur pants references. These are a pair of 146th NY chasseur pants so they are the correct style only thing they are missing for most zouaves is a thin line of piping that goes down the seam of the pants. This for the devs so they can see the construction should they choose to reproduce them for in game use. NOTE these are not the 114th PA style chasseur style trousers. The 114th PA is more narrow and closer to the standard federal trousers just slightly more baggier

front
https://imgur.com/ngj8jo2.png


https://imgur.com/aCy4Bbg.png

https://imgur.com/WDaye2c.png

https://imgur.com/K1YqQxG.png

https://imgur.com/rcVWblg.png

https://imgur.com/PT9dEGs.png

https://imgur.com/yp26WLS.png

https://imgur.com/15cmU7R.png

https://imgur.com/0FTVLQw.png

https://imgur.com/dBlbHyC.png

[Kyle422]

Another unit specific thing for the 114th PA that they would have been wearing at Antietam is this box plate Z D A on the box plate stands for Zouave d'Afrique




https://imgur.com/egTfl7J.png

[Tyler28256]

The 1st Michigan Volunteer Cavalry Regiment "The Wolverines" should be in the Company Tools as a Cavalry Regiment that you can create to use in War of Rights. The U.S. Cavalry Heavy Saber9623 should be in the game as a weapon to use

The 1st Michigan Volunteer Cavalry Regiment did not serve in the Maryland Campaign, so it wont be added.

[Pootis]

Another bit of bias here- but I think the 24th North Carolina would be good. Just look at these gorgeous white facings! (Middle man)
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And here's a real-life photo, company K to be specific.
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If we were to attach them to a few maps, I'd say attach them to West Woods, Dunker Church, Poffenberger Farm and Nicodemus Hill- they fought in that whole western swathe of the field. A nice looking variation on the vanilla, and if more than 2 regiments per map are necessary for the future, they'd make an excellent addition to add another vanilla infantry regiment with some uniform variety.

[126th NY]

Horses would be a great addition to the game as well as more skirmish maps, weapons and more infantry regiments from both the Union and Confeceracy

[Korvyr]

Horses would be a great addition to the game as well as more skirmish maps, weapons and more infantry regiments from both the Union and Confeceracy

That's the general plan.

[126th NY]

Yes it would then my commander could finally create our Cavalry Regiment from Wisconsin for the Iron Brigade

[Cheeto]

Hey this might be interesting, its called SpatialOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TA7eXQoRzU

[TrustyJam]

Hey this might be interesting, its called SpatialOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TA7eXQoRzU

As far as I know the system is still a cluster system at its core (but an, essentially, unlimited one due to the cloud aspect of it). They do not do a good enough job at describing its limits on their website I think (no surprise there, they are about selling their idea after all) but I'm fairly certain each server in the cluster handles a specific area of the gameworld and you then have special edge case server to server information set up when players are changing area (and thus server).

The above works fine for most multiplayer games where the population of players will be spread out across the entire game world. If you run into issues with a server/game area being full you can then assign another server to the area and create an instance of it, etc. etc.

In a game such as WoR that will not work as our game is centered on large populations of players in tight groups/formations - I'd love to be proven wrong though. :)


One thing is the server side performance - we could probably bump our servers up a bit in cap - another is the client side performance however (this is our bottleneck currently): the more players the more playerlogic code your client has to run the bigger a CPU hit you will take.

EDIT: I just noticed this is posted in the regiment suggestions - hardly the right place. :)

- Trusty

[Captain Joe]

Hello the 65th Illinois regimental flag is currently the flag for the 2nd US infantry. Will this be addressed soon or did you know about.

[funkrockjock]

I understand that developing the mechanics and the physics of the game itself take up most of your time, but do you think you will ever get around to adding other states as possible companies to enlist with, specifically more western front companies and regiments? I'd like to sign up as part of the Army Of The Frontier ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Frontier ) or maybe even as part of the Army Of Kansas ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Kansas ) under James Blunt ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Blunt ). Just wondering if it was even a possibility in the future.

Edit: Being from Oklahoma I have limited options as to historically who I would have fought for and where, considering Oklahoma was Indian Territory during the war. Though there was combat in the Territory! :)

[COL. Patrick R Cleburne]

Regiment - 350 to 400
Company – 35 to 40
Regiments, which were the basic units of army organization through which soldiers were supplied and deployed, were raised by individual states. They were generally referred by number and state, for example 1st Texas, 12th Virginia. To the extent the word "battalion" was used to describe a military unit, it referred to a multi-company task force of a regiment or a near-regimental size unit. Throughout the war, the Confederacy raised the equivalent of 1,010 regiments in all branches, including militias, versus 2,050 regiments for the U.S. Army.

Four regiments usually formed a brigade, although as the number of men in many regiments became greatly reduced, especially later in the war, more than four were often assigned to a brigade. Occasionally, regiments would be transferred between brigades. Two to four brigades usually formed a division. Two to four divisions usually formed a corps. Two to four corps usually formed an army. Occasionally, a single corps might operate independently as if it were a small army. The Confederate States Army consisted of several field armies, named after their primary area of operation.

[Eugene Sledge]

This isn't a strictly regimental suggestion, but it affects a lot of players that put tags in their name.

There should be more characters capable of being displayed in game for player names in the tab menu, chat menu and when pressing T. With regiment and company tags it often cuts off the end of many player names. It's purely aesthetic, but it's just one thing that has been bugging me and I thought I'd mention it. Not sure how hard it would be to expand the tab and chat displays to accommodate the extra characters.

Edit: I couldn't find a truly relevant place to post this. If there is a better spot for it don't hesitate to move it.

[SUWAROW]

UP!

I wanna ask about adding new regiment. This is it possible to offer this in the future? I know it's selfish, but I'd like to see 7th West Virginia Infantry Regiment. I think we can expect the same from other users. As far as now the developers are ready to hear it? Maybe the most active guys will make a list that will show preferences. Either way, I'll be happy with any answer.

[Matt(Fridge)]

UP!

I wanna ask about adding new regiment. This is it possible to offer this in the future? I know it's selfish, but I'd like to see 7th West Virginia Infantry Regiment. I think we can expect the same from other users. As far as now the developers are ready to hear it? Maybe the most active guys will make a list that will show preferences. Either way, I'll be happy with any answer.

They will be added eventually. Since they were a unit in the Maryland Campaign. We can't be sure exactly when but it'll happen eventually.

[Hinkel]

UP!

I wanna ask about adding new regiment. This is it possible to offer this in the future? I know it's selfish, but I'd like to see 7th West Virginia Infantry Regiment. I think we can expect the same from other users. As far as now the developers are ready to hear it? Maybe the most active guys will make a list that will show preferences. Either way, I'll be happy with any answer.

The 7th West Virginia Infantry took part in the attack on the Sunken Road. Since we already feature the 8th Ohio and 69th New York Infantry in the Sunken Road Skirmish Map, there is no room for the 7th WV ingame at the moment.

[Leifr]

Drill camp?

[SUWAROW]

They will be added eventually. Since they were a unit in the Maryland Campaign. We can't be sure exactly when but it'll happen eventually.

Yes, I just wanted to know about the developers ' plans. I'm just an interested person and of course.


The 7th West Virginia Infantry took part in the attack on the Sunken Road. Since we already feature the 8th Ohio and 69th New York Infantry in the Sunken Road Skirmish Map, there is no room for the 7th WV ingame at the moment.

Oh, I didn't think it would be a problem. Is it a gameplay concept?

[Hinkel]

Oh, I didn't think it would be a problem. Is it a gameplay concept?

Yes, each skirmish map has 2 regiments available, which played a major role during the historical battle (the sunken road skirmish for example) :)
So the Sunken Road would be "full" and won't support the 7th WV at the moment.

[SUWAROW]

Yes, each skirmish map has 2 regiments available, which played a major role during the historical battle (the sunken road skirmish for example) :)
So the Sunken Road would be "full" and won't support the 7th WV at the moment.

Thank you for answer! I will be waiting 7 WVA even if it takes a long time. :)

[Leifr]

Drill camp?

Is it not possible to add regiments to the drill camp independently of the skirmish areas?

[Matt(Fridge)]

The 7th West Virginia Infantry took part in the attack on the Sunken Road. Since we already feature the 8th Ohio and 69th New York Infantry in the Sunken Road Skirmish Map, there is no room for the 7th WV ingame at the moment.

Maybe when Skirmishes is expanded to allow 3 regiments?

[SUWAROW]

i am confused. http://antietam.stonesentinels.com/war-department-markers-us/kimballs-brigade-frenchs-division-marker-41/

69 NY? My knowledge is very bad.

[Hinkel]

i am confused. http://antietam.stonesentinels.com/war-department-markers-us/kimballs-brigade-frenchs-division-marker-41/

69 NY? My knowledge is very bad.

http://antietam.aotw.org/officers.php?unit_id=413

http://antietam.aotw.org/maps.php?map_number=7

[Hinkel]

Is it not possible to add regiments to the drill camp independently of the skirmish areas?

Yes, its possible to add regiments to the drill camp. But I don't see any advantage of adding another union infantry unit, which looks pretty identical to other federal units :)
If they would have a unique uniform, which would make them different, it could be an option.

[SUWAROW]

http://antietam.aotw.org/officers.php?unit_id=413

http://antietam.aotw.org/maps.php?map_number=7

Thanks for site. I thought there was just some connection between 69th New York and 8th Ohio, but I guess I'm looking for it where there isn't.

[Hinkel]

Thanks for site. I thought there was just some connection between 69th New York and 8th Ohio, but I guess I'm looking for it where there isn't.

Ingame regiments don't need to be in one brigade in real-life :)
The 69th NY and 8th Ohio took part in the skirmish of the Sunken Road, thats what matters mostly for the unit choice.

[SUWAROW]

Ingame regiments don't need to be in one brigade in real-life :)
The 69th NY and 8th Ohio took part in the skirmish of the Sunken Road, thats what matters mostly for the unit choice.

Just brought it out for myself. My mistake, sorry.

[Hinkel]

Just brought it out for myself. My mistake, sorry.

No need to excuse my friend.
Thats why I am here to help :)

[Leifr]

Yes, its possible to add regiments to the drill camp. But I don't see any advantage of adding another union infantry unit, which looks pretty identical to other federal units :)
If they would have a unique uniform, which would make them different, it could be an option.

So at what point will folk be able to select their regiment in-game if they all look the same? :confused:

[Lord Drax]

This is all good and everything but with 200 man servers hopefully coming is there any word on officially having 3 selectable units in skirmish?

[Jagdmann]

I think there should be as many units coming to the game as possible. CG should know that there are a lot of folks who really like the reenacting ability this game has to offer. So I would strongly recommend and would be full of joy if more units would come to the game. I guess there are still some very interesting units, which up to now didn`t make it into the game. I.e. I would really like to see the 7th NY coming to the game.
At least I guess the community would like to hear that at some point in the future there might be some more units coming to the game. ...and if they would just be playable on the drill camp!

[Dutchconfederate]

I think if they added a 3rd choice in regiment it will be from the Artillery Branch.

[Leifr]

I think if they added a 3rd choice in regiment it will be from the Artillery Branch.

Yes, but only those with fancy uniforms it seems.

[TrustyJam]

Yes, but only those with fancy uniforms it seems.

It's about being as efficient as possible.

Yes, we could add in a ton of practical clone regiments with little to no particular differences other than their nametag.

While that possibly would be appreciated by some it would also be recieved negatively by a large amount of people as it would increase the load times drastically (the thousands of different character models we already have is by far the biggest factor in regards to load times).

- Trusty

[Leifr]

That seems problematic if the vast majority of regiments won't have any visual representation in this game. If there is concern about unnecessary loading times and duplicated aesthetics (which I understand and appreciate), perhaps some solution could be made regarding the selection of regimental flags? I imagine for most Union and Confederate units, the flag would be the only visually distinct element that sets it apart from others.

[Dutchconfederate]

Well eventually you would want to load in your personal character from your game menu or Company Tool connection. That would seem more logical then loading in all the possible characters on both sides would it not? Especially for the Antietam battle mode or whatever it will be called.

Maybe load in options can be edited on private servers? So people could spawn in as the unity they represent in the game? The thing I am waiting for the most is the option to load in as a regiment together and not having to worry about people being stuck on the other side. But again that is something for a different game mode which has zero priority at the moment.

- Artillery
- South Mountain maps
- Musicians
- Horses

- New battle mode

is that the order that is being followed at the moment?

[Saris]

@Hinkel since you said you're working on the units for South Mountain

One unit I would like to see when South Mountain is released, especially crampon's gap is the 16th New York Infantry. The 16th was placed in the vanguard of the attack for the gap and lost a lot of its men and was held in reserve for the Battle of Antietam. The 16th was uniformed with straw hats with black ribbons, dark blue jacket, sky blue leggings, and brown gaiters.

16th New York by Don Troiani
https://i.imgur.com/LSailvr.jpg
Casualties of the 16th left behind by the Army of the Potomac after the Battle of Gaines Mill
https://i.imgur.com/ESxtyos.png
what's left of their regimental flag
https://i.imgur.com/hmnqgyN.jpg
picture of the 16th during the peninsula campaign
https://i.imgur.com/nyDkwt6.jpg

[Hinkel]

@Hinkel since you said you're working on the units for South Mountain

One unit I would like to see when South Mountain is released, especially crampon's gap is the 16th New York Infantry. ]

While its a very cool unit, Crampon's Gap is way outside of the map and won't be featured sadly.

[Saris]

While its a very cool unit, Crampon's Gap is way outside of the map and won't be featured sadly.

I find it strange y’all are not doing every part of South Mountain but y’all implement ahistorical skirmishes that never existed. Plus adding units like the 20th Maine that never participated but stood on the side lines watching.

[Hinkel]

I find it strange y’all are not doing every part of South Mountain but y’all implement ahistorical skirmishes that never existed

The map size is limited. Crampon's Gap would require a totally new level, seperated on a different server to play on. So there is no way to add that part onto the current map :(

[TRaider]

While its a very cool unit, Crampon's Gap is way outside of the map and won't be featured sadly.

Perhaps still add the units that took part in Crampton's Gap to the Drill Camp so we aren't totally left out of the game.

[TRaider]

The map size is limited. Crampon's Gap would require a totally new level, seperated on a different server to play on. So there is no way to add that part onto the current map :(

Does that mean we may see it included in a new level? :o

[[17thMI] J.Connelly]

The war consisted tons of engagements of different sizes at locations just as numerous. Most probably aren't thought of or well known, even by historians. I personally think there is plenty of room for less documented or historically-based fictional engagements. I'd also wager that they're probably easier to build. I'm open to any new map or mode content that the dev team can provide. Not that I'm complaining. I really enjoy WoR.

[Saris]

J.Connelly;95619']The war consisted tons of engagements of different sizes at locations just as numerous. Most probably aren't thought of or well known, even by historians. I personally think there is plenty of room for less documented or historically-based fictional engagements. I'd also wager that they're probably easier to build. I'm open to any new map or mode content that the dev team can provide. Not that I'm complaining. I really enjoy WoR.

I agree there should be more than just historical battlegrounds but they should first implement the historical parts then go for the ahistorical second. I did not like that they focused on the ahistorical parts of Harpers Ferry first then implemented the maps that were fought over in history. They do claim in their description of their game they want to be historically authentic, so maybe start with that then go for the more fictional fights.

[Leifr]

It’s fairly evident now that most of the regiments won’t be represented in-game, whether that be in a historical or ahistorical context - look to the response I received from Hinkel and Trusty on the previous page.

This seems like a moot thread now and beyond the original point of purpose.

[Hinkel]

It’s fairly evident now that most of the regiments won’t be represented in-game, whether that be in a historical or ahistorical context - look to the response I received from Hinkel and Trusty on the previous page.

This seems like a moot thread now and beyond the original point of purpose.

As far as I know, we talked about skirmish scenarios and the regiments on these skirmish maps.
For the full battlefield and associated game modes, we still want to include as many regiments as possible.
This would include regiments like the suggested 16th New York etc. of course.

For example, I could add the 16th New York earlier and make it available in the Picket Patrol game mode, same for other regiments.

[BenjaGuy]

Hi everyone,

I made a post in another thread the other day while South Mountain was being discussed, but I would like to bring the 17th Michigan up again and in more detail because this thread is more appropriate. The 17th Michigan community is a bit bummed out that the morning fight at Wise's Farm in Fox's Gap (Garland's Stand) seems like it will be added instead of the afternoon fight, when the 17th was involved. We've been doing a lot of research ourselves, so I'd like to present that here in the hopes that it will help the developers if they decide to add an "Afternoon Wise Farm" scenario.

The 17th Michigan Volunteer Infantry

The 17th Michigan Infantry was organized in August, 1862 in Detroit. One of its most distinguishing features was its E company, or "Normal Company," which was composed largely of young student-teachers from the Michigan State Normal School (now Eastern Michigan University) In Ypsilanti. Equipped with their Lorenz rifles, they left Michigan before the end of the month, and saw their first action at South Mountain only a couple weeks later. Marching into battle with their pristine dress uniforms, the 17th Michigan earned the nickname "Stonewall Regiment" for their routing of the 50/51st Georgia from their position behind a stone wall after a flanking maneuver.

The Uniform of the 17th at Wise's Farm

https://i.postimg.cc/26Pyx39C/17thuniform.png (https://postimg.cc/5YSf49Mr)

The Afternoon Fight at Wise's Farm

https://i.postimg.cc/TPPCPPv9/foxmapfinal.png (https://postimages.org/)
Based on several articles from "Bloody Prelude: the Battle of South Mountain" (https://mountainaflame.blogspot.com/2010/12/bathed-in-blood-afternoon-fight-at-foxs.html) Does not show the position of every union regiment, especially Cox's division and some of Welch's and Christ's brigades that were not at the front.

The afternoon fight for Wise's Farm began around 4:00 in the afternoon. The Confederates had retaken Fox's Gap during the lull following the morning's battle. Drayton's brigade, on the Confederate left, was made aware of the Ohioans of Cox's division still beyond the South field. Drayton ordered the 15th SC, 3rd SC battalion, and Phillip's Legion to advance into the field, with the 50th and 51st Georgia replacing them in the Sharpsburg road, ready to support the initial attack. As they advanced into the field, Welsh's brigade of Wilcox's division emerged from the forest on the East side of the field, drawing the attention of Phillip's Legion. The 17th Michigan, having just silenced a Confederate battery, divides itself. The right, including the Normal Company, is sent across the Sharpsburg road and behind the Georgians. (https://mountainaflame.blogspot.com/2011/02/professors-recollections.html) It is here that Drayton's attack falls apart, as the Confederate units in the South field struggle to cover each others retreat back towards the Wise cabin as the 17th forces the rout of the Georgians who are supposed to be supporting them. The South Carolinians are soon all that remains, with the 15th in Wise's rose garden, and the 3rd Battalion between 2 stone walls in front of the house. Lt. Col. George James of the 3rd Battalion refuses to retreat, and the fighting finally ceases after two and a half more hours. (https://quod.lib.umich.edu/b/bhlcivilwar/2011420.0001.001/15?rgn=full+text;view=image)

https://i.postimg.cc/j5WCNyX8/wisefarm.jpg (https://postimg.cc/BL0qfLRD)

A photograph of the Wise Cabin showing the South field, and the final position of the 3rd South Carolina Battalion

https://i.postimg.cc/Vvn6Z12n/foxgap.png (https://postimg.cc/N2GB5hsj)

A panoramic drawing of the Wise fields (https://archive.org/details/battlesleadersof02johnuoft/page/572), showing the Sharpsburg road running left to right, and the direction towards which the 17th attacked.

[M.Mann]

I have noticed that there are no Missouri regiments on either side and Think it would be a good idea to add because Missouri fought on both sides.

[Lord Drax]

I have noticed that there are no Missouri regiments on either side and Think it would be a good idea to add because Missouri fought on both sides.

This game is only covering the 1862 Maryland Campaign so no Missouri regiments...

[Southern]

Great we can make wish lists for santa hinkel

[SUWAROW]

Dear Hinkel,

I wrote this letter because i don't understand your words about " But I don't see any advantage of adding another union infantry unit, which looks pretty identical to other federal units". Sir, you added 9 Ohio regiments, but none from West Virginia. I ask you to change your policy in this regard. We would be very grateful if our regiment were in the game. I hope that you will understand my request and will not appeal to the previous argument because it has lost its force.

Please note that there are many communities that are left without their uniforms. Just like us. Of course, I understand that the developers have their own vision of what they consider necessary, but I hope very much to change this vision at least in this matter.

[TRaider]

Dear Hinkel,

I wrote this letter because i don't understand your words about " But I don't see any advantage of adding another union infantry unit, which looks pretty identical to other federal units". Sir, you added 9 Ohio regiments, but none from West Virginia. I ask you to change your policy in this regard. We would be very grateful if our regiment were in the game. I hope that you will understand my request and will not appeal to the previous argument because it has lost its force.




Please note that there are many communities that are left without their uniforms. Just like us. Of course, I understand that the developers have their own vision of what they consider necessary, but I hope very much to change this vision at least in this matter.

^Agree and I don't even think there is but one semi-active Ohio unit in the community. Maybe just give us our colours to fight under since many units wore similar uniforms. Thank you!

[Hinkel]

Dear Hinkel,

I wrote this letter because i don't understand your words about " But I don't see any advantage of adding another union infantry unit, which looks pretty identical to other federal units". Sir, you added 9 Ohio regiments, but none from West Virginia. I ask you to change your policy in this regard. We would be very grateful if our regiment were in the game. I hope that you will understand my request and will not appeal to the previous argument because it has lost its force.

Please note that there are many communities that are left without their uniforms. Just like us. Of course, I understand that the developers have their own vision of what they consider necessary, but I hope very much to change this vision at least in this matter.

Thank you for your reply.

Since we added South Mountain to the game and featuring the following skirmish maps:
Garland's Stand at Fox’s Gap, Hatch's Attack at Turner’s Gap and Colquitt's Defence at Turner’s Gap, with 2 other skirmish scenarios coming up, we had to add a bunch of new Ohio regiments to the game, since these Ohio regiments took part in the historic attacks we added. While it would have been nice to have some more unique regiments, its not possible to add a West Virginia unit to these skirmish maps, when there was no active regiments engaged there.

[Hinkel]

Sir, you added 9 Ohio regiments, but none from West Virginia.

By the way, an interesting fact:

If we would add the 7th West Virginia to the game, it would just been called 7th Virginia.
West Virginia was not formed until 1863 and the 7th enlisted official as the 7th Virginia and fought with that name at the Maryland Campaign :)

[SUWAROW]

By the way, an interesting fact:

If we would add the 7th West Virginia to the game, it would just been called 7th Virginia.
West Virginia was not formed until 1863 and the 7th enlisted official as the 7th Virginia and fought with that name at the Maryland Campaign :)

As true reenactors, we will demonstrate the desire for recognition us as West Virginia State. How it possible for people from Russia, who know history of Civil War from available resources.

[SUWAROW]

Yes, and change please in Company Tools name - 7th WVA.

[Kyle422]

I want it to be known that the current 23rd NY uniforms in game are wrong. This is how companies I & K would have looked during 1861 the whole regiment didn't get Zouave uniforms. There would be a mixture between normal federal uniforms and then the zouave uniforms the video and pictures below show this.

https://imgur.com/t0uGArP.png

https://imgur.com/6DbNXPa.png

https://imgur.com/waPa17x.png


https://imgur.com/9uDeCch.pmg

https://imgur.com/Bfxaaww.png

https://imgur.com/pNMoP5J.png

https://imgur.com/t95jGZW.png

https://imgur.com/ErZvAwL.png

https://imgur.com/xYOkoem.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHJDrw1e9Bw

Watch video for named pictures and such of the 23rd NY

[Leifr]

Wood, I suppose. Clay pipes would render pure white in collodion photography.

[DavidFields]

Hi, I have a request to do to the developers: according to my research I find out that the 39th New York was equipped not with Springfield model 1842 but with the Mississippi 1841 rifle with sword bayonet, this 'cause it made them look more like Italian Bersaglieri, who were inspired by their uniform. For that can you replace the Springfield 1842 with the Mississippi 1841?
I attach an original picture that shows two soldiers of the "Garibaldi Guard" having the sword bayonet of the Mississippi rifle.

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[Axon]

If you plan on expanding regiments for the picket post map, I'd love to see some Chasseur regiments. The 18th Massachusetts, 62nd Pennsylvania, and 65th New York were all present during the Maryland campaign.

They were equipped with Chasseur de Vincennes uniforms straight from France with shakos/sidecaps, epaulettes, and huge pants. Now I know the PA regiment had sizing issues where not everything fit, but a mix of regular union issue with pieces of chasseur uniform would be very neat.

Good thing there's a drill camp to guard, and picket duty to be done now.

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[TrustyJam]

If you plan on expanding regiments for the picket post map, I'd love to see some Chasseur regiments. The 18th Massachusetts, 62nd Pennsylvania, and 65th New York were all present during the Maryland campaign.

They were equipped with Chasseur de Vincennes uniforms straight from France with shakos/sidecaps, epaulettes, and huge pants. Now I know the PA regiment had sizing issues where not everything fit, but a mix of regular union issue with pieces of chasseur uniform would be very neat.

Good thing there's a drill camp to guard, and picket duty to be done now.

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Thanks for the suggestion! :)

Do you have any sources of them still being in such a uniform by September 62? The union (especially) saw a very quick uniformation across the board, getting rid of the early war uniforms.

- Trusty

[Redleader]

Did some digging, don't know if this is usefull

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This is a superb Civil War CDV carte de visite dating to 1862 of Lieutenant Stephen Minot Weld, Jr. The albumen photograph shows Weld full length in his uniform. A handwritten inscription on the front lower margin reads S. M. Weld, Jr. On the back another handwritten inscription reads Lieut. S.M. Weld Jr. A.D.C. Gen. F.J. Porter's Staff.
Stephen Minot Weld, Jr., was a student at Harvard Law School when the Civil War began. He entered the service in Jan. 1862 as a second lieutenant in the 18th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment, but was soon promoted to first lieutenant, then captain. In 1862, Weld also became a member of General Fitz John Porter's staff. He also served as lieutenant colonel and then colonel in the 56th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment. He fought in many major battles, including the Second Battle of Bull Run, Antietam, and Gettysburg. In 1866, he was brevetted brigadier general.

Source (https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/civil-war-cdv-lieut-stephen-minot-1831956102)

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Original Civil War Chasseur Pattern Shako Cap. 10,000 Ordered by the War Department in 1861. Then were issued to the 62nd & 83rd Pennsylvania - 18th Massachusetts and the 49th & 72nd New York. Excellent condition with original chin strap

Source (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/406731410077517007/)

[Kyle422]

If you plan on expanding regiments for the picket post map, I'd love to see some Chasseur regiments. The 18th Massachusetts, 62nd Pennsylvania, and 65th New York were all present during the Maryland campaign.

They were equipped with Chasseur de Vincennes uniforms straight from France with shakos/sidecaps, epaulettes, and huge pants. Now I know the PA regiment had sizing issues where not everything fit, but a mix of regular union issue with pieces of chasseur uniform would be very neat.

Good thing there's a drill camp to guard, and picket duty to be done now.

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From the research I have done on this unit. By late 62 most of their fancy uniforms were worn out. by 1862 most of all the fancy uniforms for all regiments were worn out and switched to standard federal blue. Unless you were a Zouave

[Saris]

If you plan on expanding regiments for the picket post map, I'd love to see some Chasseur regiments. The 18th Massachusetts, 62nd Pennsylvania, and 65th New York were all present during the Maryland campaign.

They were equipped with Chasseur de Vincennes uniforms straight from France with shakos/sidecaps, epaulettes, and huge pants. Now I know the PA regiment had sizing issues where not everything fit, but a mix of regular union issue with pieces of chasseur uniform would be very neat.

Good thing there's a drill camp to guard, and picket duty to be done now.

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What I’ve read about this unit, the Chasseur uniform barely fit Americans due to the smaller size of the French that they were made for. So they went with the reg federal blues. But I wouldn’t mind seeing this uniform in game for diversity.

[Axon]

I'll pull actual citations when I've time, but i know chasseur uniforms were worn by some regiments into 63. The 62nd didn't put theirs into storage until after Antietam, but they were mainly dress and camp uniforms for those who received correct sizes.

that's from memory, though so i cant be exact. I'll dig up citations later and confirm one way or the other.

[TrustyJam]

Hi, I have a request to do to the developers: according to my research I find out that the 39th New York was equipped not with Springfield model 1842 but with the Mississippi 1841 rifle with sword bayonet, this 'cause it made them look more like Italian Bersaglieri, who were inspired by their uniform. For that can you replace the Springfield 1842 with the Mississippi 1841?
I attach an original picture that shows two soldiers of the "Garibaldi Guard" having the sword bayonet of the Mississippi rifle.

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Hi there!

Thank you for this. I've passed it on to the regimental researchers of our team. :)

- Trusty

[Axon]

From what I've found the 62nd PA packed up their chasseur uniforms January 1862. They were issued in '63 and '64 to other units, so regiments were wearing them somewhere, but that's outside of our timeframe.

As for the remaining regiments I mentioned, about an hour of googling wasn't able to provide anything specific on time frames for uniform changes. I've seen discussions ranging from late 61 or late 62. Short of reading the regimental histories for each, that's about the most I was able to come up with.

Like i mentioned before though, all i found says they would wear them around camp

[Axon]

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[Axon]

Then of course, for peak trolling, the 79th NY. It seems they ditched the tartan and wore dark blue pants, the jackets were a mix of original highlander jackets, NY State Jackets, and either SA or private purchase shell jackets, with hats a mix of glengarry, Tam o'shanters, and normal NY state kepis.

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Credit to the 79th NY (reenacted) for the coat.

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OG glengarry in red white and blue dicing as worn by Medal of Honor winner Francis Judge

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http://emuseum.nyhistory.org/view/objects/asitem/search@/1/title-asc?t:state:flow=eb1e96c4-c749-4689-bc80-59fd26dde0f9

I'm starting to get why all the weird regiments were held in little mac's massive reserve. He just had a boner for all the european style regiments, so they ended up doing nothing at antietam.

[Dman979]

Then of course, for peak trolling, the 79th NY

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The links don't work.

Best,
Dman979

[Axon]

they're fixed now.

[TrustyJam]

The 79th New York uniform is a backer exclusive reward: https://warofrights.com/Crowdfunding :)

- Trusty

[Axon]

The 79th New York uniform is a backer exclusive reward: https://warofrights.com/Crowdfunding :)

- Trusty

appreciated, I guess the next question would be how to access said reward?

also thoughts on the other chasseurs i posted?

[SwingKid148]

appreciated, I guess the next question would be how to access said reward?


Need to wait for the game release

[Saris]

As far as I know, we talked about skirmish scenarios and the regiments on these skirmish maps.
For the full battlefield and associated game modes, we still want to include as many regiments as possible.
This would include regiments like the suggested 16th New York etc. of course.

For example, I could add the 16th New York earlier and make it available in the Picket Patrol game mode, same for other regiments.

Please do!

[Tyler28256]

Hi everyone,

I made a post in another thread the other day while South Mountain was being discussed, but I would like to bring the 17th Michigan up again and in more detail because this thread is more appropriate. The 17th Michigan community is a bit bummed out that the morning fight at Wise's Farm in Fox's Gap (Garland's Stand) seems like it will be added instead of the afternoon fight, when the 17th was involved. We've been doing a lot of research ourselves, so I'd like to present that here in the hopes that it will help the developers if they decide to add an "Afternoon Wise Farm" scenario.

The 17th Michigan Volunteer Infantry

The 17th Michigan Infantry was organized in August, 1862 in Detroit. One of its most distinguishing features was its E company, or "Normal Company," which was composed largely of young student-teachers from the Michigan State Normal School (now Eastern Michigan University) In Ypsilanti. Equipped with their Lorenz rifles, they left Michigan before the end of the month, and saw their first action at South Mountain only a couple weeks later. Marching into battle with their pristine dress uniforms, the 17th Michigan earned the nickname "Stonewall Regiment" for their routing of the 50/51st Georgia from their position behind a stone wall after a flanking maneuver.

The Uniform of the 17th at Wise's Farm

https://i.postimg.cc/26Pyx39C/17thuniform.png (https://postimg.cc/5YSf49Mr)

The Afternoon Fight at Wise's Farm

https://i.postimg.cc/TPPCPPv9/foxmapfinal.png (https://postimages.org/)
Based on several articles from "Bloody Prelude: the Battle of South Mountain" (https://mountainaflame.blogspot.com/2010/12/bathed-in-blood-afternoon-fight-at-foxs.html) Does not show the position of every union regiment, especially Cox's division and some of Welch's and Christ's brigades that were not at the front.

The afternoon fight for Wise's Farm began around 4:00 in the afternoon. The Confederates had retaken Fox's Gap during the lull following the morning's battle. Drayton's brigade, on the Confederate left, was made aware of the Ohioans of Cox's division still beyond the South field. Drayton ordered the 15th SC, 3rd SC battalion, and Phillip's Legion to advance into the field, with the 50th and 51st Georgia replacing them in the Sharpsburg road, ready to support the initial attack. As they advanced into the field, Welsh's brigade of Wilcox's division emerged from the forest on the East side of the field, drawing the attention of Phillip's Legion. The 17th Michigan, having just silenced a Confederate battery, divides itself. The right, including the Normal Company, is sent across the Sharpsburg road and behind the Georgians. (https://mountainaflame.blogspot.com/2011/02/professors-recollections.html) It is here that Drayton's attack falls apart, as the Confederate units in the South field struggle to cover each others retreat back towards the Wise cabin as the 17th forces the rout of the Georgians who are supposed to be supporting them. The South Carolinians are soon all that remains, with the 15th in Wise's rose garden, and the 3rd Battalion between 2 stone walls in front of the house. Lt. Col. George James of the 3rd Battalion refuses to retreat, and the fighting finally ceases after two and a half more hours. (https://quod.lib.umich.edu/b/bhlcivilwar/2011420.0001.001/15?rgn=full+text;view=image)

https://i.postimg.cc/j5WCNyX8/wisefarm.jpg (https://postimg.cc/BL0qfLRD)

A photograph of the Wise Cabin showing the South field, and the final position of the 3rd South Carolina Battalion

https://i.postimg.cc/Vvn6Z12n/foxgap.png (https://postimg.cc/N2GB5hsj)

A panoramic drawing of the Wise fields (https://archive.org/details/battlesleadersof02johnuoft/page/572), showing the Sharpsburg road running left to right, and the direction towards which the 17th attacked.

Hopefully you'll be added to the game. At-least in picket patrol, historical mode, and the drill camp.

[Kyle422]

appreciated, I guess the next question would be how to access said reward?


You dont unless you pledge for said uniforms you would have needed to pledge Lieutenant Colonel to get the 79th NY uniform
Then wait till full release.

Kyle

[Saris]

You dont unless you pledge for said uniforms you would need to pledge Lieutenant Colonel to get the 79th NY uniform

Kyle

You can’t anymore

[Kyle422]

You can’t anymore

I know you can not. I should have been more clear with my statement

- kyle

[DavidFields]

Hi there!

Thank you for this. I've passed it on to the regimental researchers of our team. :)

- Trusty

Thanks sir! :D

[COL. Patrick R Cleburne]

are there any plans to add western troop and battles or as far as namesake is it up to individuals to post the information and history of said units in order to get them in the game?

[TrustyJam]

Thanks sir! :D

We've decided to add a mix of 41's and 42's to the 39th NY which will come into effect in the next update. Thanks for the submission! :)

- Trusty

[Saris]

are there any plans to add western troop and battles or as far as namesake is it up to individuals to post the information and history of said units in order to get them in the game?

Whatever unit that participated in the Maryland Campaign will be in the game. Of Western units, there is already Texas, Arkansas, Minnesota, Tennessee, and Wisconsin troops playable.

[COL. Patrick R Cleburne]

i should have said are there any plans for the extension into the western theater and with what you said basically answers my question thank you...

[Saris]

The 20th Maine should replace the 20th New York on Pry's House due to it being an ahistorical attack with the confederates attacking the union reserves.

[Tyler28256]

The 20th Maine should replace the 20th New York on Pry's House due to it being an ahistorical attack with the confederates attacking the union reserves.

Agreed and instead of the 114th PA it should be either the 2nd or 10th US infantry or a cavalry unit to balance the point. (Or if you guys want another Zouave unit then do the 5th NY!)

On this topic the 52nd NY and 9th NY shouldn't be on Sherrick and otto. Instead it should be the 28th mass and/or the 17th michigan. On Hill's counterattack it should be the 89th NY not the 4th RI.

[DavidFields]

We've decided to add a mix of 41's and 42's to the 39th NY which will come into effect in the next update. Thanks for the submission! :)

- Trusty

Many thanks to you too!

[Axon]

I'd love to see the Delaware flag in game, if at all possible.

Delaware was the only slave state (~2,000 in bondage, mostly in Sussex county, the southern most part of the state) to not send a single regiment to the CSA. Out of a population of 112,000, we fielded ~12,000 union troops, 4 Delaware volunteer infantry regiments saw active combat. The estimates for Delaware volunteers to the south are about 200-300, just a company or two in a MD CSA regiment.

Here are some reference photos for the flag of the 1st Delaware. It’s a modified version of the state seal in a cloud rather than a diamond. The farmer and militiaman are also different, with the farmer supporting the ship and the militia man standing more aggressively. The regiment was shot up pretty bad, and there was a brutal fight and a medal of honor to recover them, so torn flags would be cool, but your call.

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this is the post war coat of arms, when they go back to being chill.

Here is the Color guard of the 1st Delaware, with both national and state flag. Notice the private purchase frock coats on both flag bearers. There are a number of documented non-issue frocks with the Delawares. I've included a picture of one example documented to the 1st.

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The Medal of honor was won at Antietam by Charles R Tanner, who retrieved it from right infront of the bloody lane.

https://ironbrigader.com/2014/07/25/lt-charles-r-tanner-1st-delaware-infantry-saves-flag-antietam/


The cornfield, where we had taken up our position terminated about 100 yards distant from the sunken road, leaving nothing but short grass pastureland between us.

On coming out of the corn, we were unexpectedly confronted by heavy masses of Confederate infantry, with their muskets resting on the temporary breastwork. We all realized that the slaughter would be great, but not a man flinched, and cheerfully we went to our baptism of fire.

Our colonel dashed in front with the ringing order: ‘Charge!’ and charge we did into that leaden hail. Within less than five minutes 286 men out of 635, and eight company commanders, lay wounded or dead on that bloody slope. The colonel’s horse had been struck by four bullets; the lieutenant colonel was wounded and his horse killed, and our dearly loved colors were lying within twenty yards of the frowning lines of muskets, surrounded by the lifeless bodies of nine heroes, who died while trying to plant them in that road of death.

Those of us who were yet living got back to the edge of the cornfield, and opened such a fire that, though the enemy charged five times to gain possession of the flag, they were driven back each time with terrible slaughter.

We had become desperately enraged, thinking, not of life, but how to regain the broad strips of bunting under which we had marched, bivouacked, suffered, and seen our comrades killed. To lose what we had sworn to defend with our blood would have been, in our minds, a disgrace, and every man of the First Delaware was ready to perish, rather than allow the colors to fall into the hands of the enemy. Two hundred rifles guarded the Stars and Stripes, and if they were not to be recovered by us, the foe should not have them while a single member of the regiment remained alive.

Charge after charge was made, and the gallant Fifth Maryland, forming on our left, aided in the defense. The fire from our lines directed to the center of that dense mass of Confederates, was appalling. Over thirteen hundred noble dead were covered with earth in that sunken road by the burying part on the following day.

When the Maryland boys joined us, Captain Rickets of Company C, our regiment, called for volunteers to save the colors, and more than thirty brave fellows responded. It seemed as if they had but just started, when at least twenty, including the gallant leader, were killed and those who would have rushed forward, were forced back by withering fire.

Maddened, and more desperate than ever, I called for the men to make another effort, and before we marched fifty yards only a scattering few remained able to get back to the friendly corn, in which we sought refuge from the tempest of death.

Then Major Thomas A. Smyth (afterward Major General, and killed on the day General Lee surrendered) said he would concentrate twenty-five picked men, whose fire should be directed over the colors.

‘Do it’, I cried, ‘and I will get there!’

There were hundreds of brave men yet alive on that awful field, and at my call for assistance, twenty sprang toward me.

While covering that short distance, it seemed as if a million bees were singing in the air. The shouts and yells from either side sounded like menaces and threats. But I had reached the goal, had caught up the staff which was already splintered by shot, and the colors pierced with many a hole and stained here and there with the lifeblood of our comrades, when a bullet shattered my arm. Luckily my legs were still serviceable, and, seizing the precious bunting with my left hand, I made the best eighty yard time on record, receiving two more wounds.

The colors were landed safely among the men of our regiment just as a large body of Confederate infantry poured in on our flank, compelling us to face in a different direction. We had the flags, however, and the remainder of the First Delaware held them against all comers.


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[Dman979]

Hi CFG,

I noticed that the model for the 42nd Pennsylvania's Colonel is wrong.

Here's what it looks like in-game:
https://i.imgur.com/DCXwMqu.jpg

This doesn't look like Col. Hugh McNeil, who was killed in the skirmishes on September 16th.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8d/e5/9a/8de59ad5adec54db0cf4a70ffcfb61a9.jpg

http://pacivilwar150.com/ThroughPeople/Soldiers/cmp-media/story/header26.jpg

This last one is also Col. McNeil, but he presumably removed the bucktail for a formal photo.

https://images.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2008/149/23020133_121207905744.jpg


The specific differences that I see are: the collar is closed, the white shirt doesn't appear above the collar, and the iconic beard is missing. Evidently, Col. McNeil took pride in his beard, and kept it neat.

I hope that you'll consider changing the model, in honor of Col. McNeil.

Best,
Dman979

[Kolnat]

I agree!

[TheAustralian]

I agree too!

[Bravescot]

I would love this as a detail to be added later.

[TrustyJam]

Thank you all. :)

I've noted it and sent your suggestions onwards to Hinkel, our main soldier creator.

- Trusty

[Hinkel]

Thank you for the suggestion.

I just wanted to add, that no officer looks like the real person ingame (there might be some similarities in some cases)

As you also noticed, some regiments were lead by a captain or major during Antietam. We still have the other ranks available for them ingame, so it would be hard to portray every officer ingame. If I would model the colonel like the real person, I am sure other suggestions would follow for every single officer rank for various regiments ;)

[Tyler28256]

Thank you for the suggestion.

I just wanted to add, that no officer looks like the real person ingame (there might be some similarities in some cases)

As you also noticed, some regiments were lead by a captain or major during Antietam. We still have the other ranks available for them ingame, so it would be hard to portray every officer ingame. If I would model the colonel like the real person, I am sure other suggestions would follow for every single officer rank for various regiments ;)

Oh Hinkel you already know I sent you my suggestions hahahahaha.

[Cheeto]

Just a quick question, on the South Mountain map Cox, is there a way to up the timer on last stand. On the CSA side if we go into last stand and are at main spawn it only gives you 20 seconds and we never make it to point, I dont know if this has been brought up before. But it would be hella cool if fixed.

[TrustyJam]

Just a quick question, on the South Mountain map Cox, is there a way to up the timer on last stand. On the CSA side if we go into last stand and are at main spawn it only gives you 20 seconds and we never make it to point, I dont know if this has been brought up before. But it would be hella cool if fixed.

Hi there!

Thanks for the report. :)

We're aware of the issue and are currently looking into updating several systems tied to the end game event mechanics.

- Trusty

[Ghost30]

cool

[HazedVision]

This idea was a combination between the minds of myself and Vito, We were thinking possibly giving officers(Or Admins) The ability to place small human silhouettes in the drill camp(and possibly the upcoming Artillery Range), Player sized targets made of straw or whatever would fit the time period, We believe this would be a nice addition to the game. With the current firing range on the Drill Camps both CSA and Union, you are limited to fixed targets that would only work in the so called "Perfect world" and serve little to no help in assisting players in actual line battles. Pro's of this would give players more "Realistic" targets to fire at while also leaning away from the firing range, Again this would take advantage of the large Drill Camp map and bring life to the entire camps for both sides. However if there are already plans in the work to fix or improve this aspect of the game I apologize in advanced. Again the worst type of question in life is the one not asked! Thanks ~1stLt.HazedVision~ 4th NJ, Company A

[RhettVito]

This idea was a combination between the minds of myself and Vito, We were thinking possibly giving officers(Or Admins) The ability to place small human silhouettes in the drill camp(and possibly the upcoming Artillery Range), Player sized targets made of straw or whatever would fit the time period, We believe this would be a nice addition to the game. With the current firing range on the Drill Camps both CSA and Union, you are limited to fixed targets that would only work in the so called "Perfect world" and serve little to no help in assisting players in actual line battles. Pro's of this would give players more "Realistic" targets to fire at while also leaning away from the firing range, Again this would take advantage of the large Drill Camp map and bring life to the entire camps for both sides. However if there are already plans in the work to fix or improve this aspect of the game I apologize in advanced. Again the worst type of question in life is the one not asked! Thanks ~1stLt.HazedVision~ 4th NJ, Company A

Would be nice to have that.

[Devils_Reach]

Would be nice to have that.

That Would be very nice to have.

[Xbwalker]

This idea was a combination between the minds of myself and Vito, We were thinking possibly giving officers(Or Admins) The ability to place small human silhouettes in the drill camp(and possibly the upcoming Artillery Range), Player sized targets made of straw or whatever would fit the time period, We believe this would be a nice addition to the game. With the current firing range on the Drill Camps both CSA and Union, you are limited to fixed targets that would only work in the so called "Perfect world" and serve little to no help in assisting players in actual line battles. Pro's of this would give players more "Realistic" targets to fire at while also leaning away from the firing range, Again this would take advantage of the large Drill Camp map and bring life to the entire camps for both sides. However if there are already plans in the work to fix or improve this aspect of the game I apologize in advanced. Again the worst type of question in life is the one not asked! Thanks ~1stLt.HazedVision~ 4th NJ, Company A

I second this. The USA fires at the target at the oblique. It works but not so well. Human sized targets would be fantastic.

[NoahMayer]

Hey I have looked in the fourms and was wondering will there be a Chaplains character at any point? even if just to use in the drill fields?

[Bravescot]

Union: "On August 3 1861, the United States Congress set the guidelines for Union chaplains. They were to be elected by the ranks and commissioned as officers by the regimental colonel commanding, after which the chaplain's name was to be forwarded to the War Department for commissioning." -https://www.essentialcivilwarcurriculum.com/chaplains-in-the-civil-war.html
https://i.imgur.com/tfu1Dbv.jpg

[Ghost30]

Hello I have a suggestion for a new regiment! Im thinking the 6th North Carolina regiment should be added in the game. This regiment wore really cool uniforms. They wore tophats just like the Iron Brigade. They also had a unique belt buckle with the regiment's name on it. They had a unique flag too! Pretty cool unit that would stand out in the game I think. The 6th NC fought in Antietam so it would be historically accurate.

Here are some pictures:
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[Hinkel]

Hello I have a suggestion for a new regiment! Im thinking the 6th North Carolina regiment should be added in the game. This regiment wore really cool uniforms. They wore tophats just like the Iron Brigade. They also had a unique belt buckle with the regiment's name on it. They had a unique flag too! Pretty cool unit that would stand out in the game I think. The 6th NC fought in Antietam so it would be historically accurate.

Here are some pictures:
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Thats a very cool uniform, especially the special shell jacket with 3 lines of buttons.
Sadly, its the 1861 uniform it seems, which was used at Manassas.

There are other photos, showing soldiers of other companies of the 6th NC, having regular shell jackets or NC sack coats.

[Ghost30]

Thats a very cool uniform, especially the special shell jacket with 3 lines of buttons.
Sadly, its the 1861 uniform it seems, which was used at Manassas.

There are other photos, showing soldiers of other companies of the 6th NC, having regular shell jackets or NC sack coats.

Hinkel, I don't think anyone would mind if they were added in the game with their 1861 uniforms on. I mean look at the first Louisiana Zouaves. At Antietam, they did not have their Zouave uniforms but they are still in the game. Look at the Hampton Legion, Only company H had Zouave uniforms but in the game, they all have the uniforms on. Please think about it Hinkel. If I have not changed your mind then at least add them because of their cool flag and belt buckle.

[Dutchconfederate]

Pelham's Battery is erroneously named Breathed's Battery in the Company Tool and presumably in the upcoming Artillery update, as well.

Jim Breathed was a Lieutenant at the Battle of Sharpsburg in charge of a single section, and became Captain of Pelham's Battery only after John Pelham's promotion to Major on September 22, following the Battle of Sharpsburg but preceding the Battle of Fredericksburg. I have found no reference to "Breathed's Battery" contemporary to the Maryland Campaign and even after "Gallant" John Pelham's tragic death in 1863, the battery was typically referred to as "Pelham's Battery" or "Stuart's Horse Artillery" or some combination thereof.

PRIMARY SOURCES

The O.R. consistently refers to the battery as Pelham's during this period: O. R. Ser. 1, Vol. 19, Pt. 1, pg. 810 (https://hdl.handle.net/2027/coo.31924079609610?urlappend=%3Bseq=826), pg. 835 (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924079609610&view=1up&seq=851), pg. 836 (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924079609610&view=1up&seq=852)

According to Memoirs of the Stuart Horse Artillery Battalion, edited by Robert J. Trout, contemporaries consistently referred to this battery throughout the war, even after Pelham's death, as Pelham's: pg. 20, 151, 167, 170, 172, 176, 192, 293.

SECONDARY SOURCES

The Perfect Lion: The Life and Death of Confederate Artillerist John Pelham only refers to the battery as Breathed's twice, in 1863.
Artillery Hell: The Employment of Artillery at Antietam does not refer to James Breathed at all, the battery is referred to as Pelham's: pg. 13, 48-50, 54-55, 58, 100-101.
To Antietam Creek: The Maryland Campaign of September 1862 does not refer to Breathed at all, the battery is referred to as Pelham's: pg. 312, 360, 488, 500, 724
Landscape Turned Red: The Battle of Antietam does not refer to Breathed, the battery is Pelham's: pg. 223.
Fighting with Jeb Stuart: Major James Breathed and the Confederate Horse Artillery refers to the battery as Pelham's during this period: 70-72, 90.

Maps from CivilWarTrust, Carman, Harsh, etc. consistently label the battery as Pelham. I have found zero maps with Breathed labeled.

Antietam On The Web (http://antietam.aotw.org/officers.php?unit_id=800) erroneously refers to Pelham as Major and Breathed as Captain (actually a common mistake in several histories, reflecting their promotions following the Battle of Sharpsburg), however the battery is properly labeled as Pelham's

Indeed an error I hope they fix that soon in the company tool for you. Also awaiting some name changes because after update placed in the artillery section for the company tool, some where changed incorrectly.

Like the Richmond Howitzers, 1st Company who are named as Richmond Howitzers Company 1. small error but yeah still not correct.
Companies 2 and 3 are named after the senior officer which in most situations is correct but not in the instance of the Richmond Howitzers. There are more names not correct for the artillery but people owning a battery should research and check that for themselves.

[Ghost30]

pls Hinkel

[Ghost30]

So its a hard no on the idea to add 6th NC?

[Lord Drax]

They mentioned several months ago that they were not adding new units for now as they are concentrating dev assets on content, performance, and user interface...

[Dman979]

They mentioned several months ago that they were not adding new units for now as they are concentrating dev assets on content, performance, and user interface...

Which seems like a sensible decision to me.

Best,
Dman979

[Ghost30]

"For now"

Don't do this. Don't give me hope

[Tyler28256]

Union Unit Changes - There are two maps that come to mind.

1) Burnside's Bridge - This might seem minor but I believe its a gross injustice to the 51st PA who really helped carry the bridge and are at the forefront of famous painting of the final push across the bridge. My suggestion is replacing either the 51st NY or 2nd Maryland with the 51st PA who truly deserve to be featured on that map. https://i.imgur.com/hl57RKB.jpg

2) Sherrick and otto farm - Currently on this map there are two units for the Union who never fought there. The 9th NY who is properly featured on Hill's Counter attack were not fighting near the otto farm. The 52nd NY are also on the map, and they were not even in the IX Corps nor on that side of the field to begin with. My suggestion would be to replace both units with two units currently in game that were at the Sherrick and Otto farms. The 36th Ohio Infantry who were stationed there during the battle, and 12th/23rd/30th ohio who were also stationed in close proximity to the farms. As shown through the book "the Maps of Antietam" by Bradley Gottfried. It's a terrible injustice that these units currently in game who were on that map are currently not featured there. https://i.imgur.com/Zf1ev95.jpg

I hope CG will consider these changes to help make skirmish mode better.

[DavidFields]

From my recent research on the New York State archives I found that the 39th New York was equipped with "Harper's Ferry rifles". As we can see it is not about Springfield 1842 or other models, because otherwise it would have been marked, as you can see in the other regiments.


Doing a quick search at Harpers Ferry was the federal armory which produced various types of rifles. If we search for the "Harpers Ferry" rifle, a flintlock musket will come out and it seems strange to me that Union regiments were equipped with such rifles.


By doing a thorough research I found that in 1855 Harper's Ferry began producing its own Springfield 1855, shorter and similar to the Mississippi: the Harpers Ferry Rifle model 1855. This could explain the sabre-bayonet we could see in photos and paints of this period portraing the "Garibaldi Guard".

Dear developers, can you in the next update add this rifle to the 39th NY? Thanks for your attention :)

The extract from the New York State Archives who shows the rifle equipment of the New York Regiments, the 39th NY is marked in yellow.

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The Harper's Ferry Musket model 1855:
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[TrustyJam]

From my recent research on the New York State archives I found that the 39th New York was equipped with "Harper's Ferry rifles". As we can see it is not about Springfield 1842 or other models, because otherwise it would have been marked, as you can see in the other regiments.


Doing a quick search at Harpers Ferry was the federal armory which produced various types of rifles. If we search for the "Harpers Ferry" rifle, a flintlock musket will come out and it seems strange to me that Union regiments were equipped with such rifles.


By doing a thorough research I found that in 1855 Harper's Ferry began producing its own Springfield 1855, shorter and similar to the Mississippi: the Harpers Ferry Rifle model 1855. This could explain the sabre-bayonet we could see in photos and paints of this period portraing the "Garibaldi Guard".

Dear developers, can you in the next update add this rifle to the 39th NY? Thanks for your attention :)

The extract from the New York State Archives who shows the rifle equipment of the New York Regiments, the 39th NY is marked in yellow.

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The Harper's Ferry Musket model 1855:
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Hello David,

The armory at Harpers Ferry produced a wide range of rifles, especially M1841's, M1842's and also M1855's. It also produced 7,317 of the two bander M1855 model you've shown above, with 3,545 being brass mounted and the rest iron mounted (those numbers are very small considering how many arms of the normal 55's, 42's and 41's they produced).

The record you've shown an image of simply says Harpers Ferry rifles. This could just as well mean (chance wise it is vastly more likely to be) standard 41's or standard 55's (I suspect standard 41's as you say there are images of the 39th with short rifles with sabre bayonets). By comparrison to the rare two bander harpers ferry M1855 you've shown, the standard M1841 harpers ferry was produced in numbers no less than 70.000. :)

- Trusty

[DavidFields]

Hello David,

The armory at Harpers Ferry produced a wide range of rifles, especially M1841's, M1842's and also M1855's. It also produced 7,317 of the two bander M1855 model you've shown above, with 3,545 being brass mounted and the rest iron mounted (those numbers are very small considering how many arms of the normal 55's, 42's and 41's they produced).

The record you've shown an image of simply says Harpers Ferry rifles. This could just as well mean (chance wise it is vastly more likely to be) standard 41's or standard 55's (I suspect standard 41's as you say there are images of the 39th with short rifles with sabre bayonets). By comparrison to the rare two bander harpers ferry M1855 you've shown, the standard M1841 harpers ferry was produced in numbers no less than 70.000. :)

- Trusty

Thanks for the explanation! :)

[Axon]

If possible, I would love to see more uniform variation for the 1st Delaware. Unlike most other Union states, Delaware did not supply uniforms, they were private purchase or homemade, much like the southern "Commutation system". You can see a wide variety of clothing on the famous picture of the 1st DE Color guard after Antietam.

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You can see in the picture that the from left to right they wear a 1) Private purchase sack coat, 2) Civilian coat 3) civilian sack coat 4) issue or private purchase frock 5) private purchase sack coat and 6) the trimmed collar frock coat seen below. They also wear a mixture of forage caps and kepis.

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Echoes of Glory (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2699819-echoes-of-glory)

Interestingly, the first Delaware had 2 zouave companies who fought at Antietam. You’ll see it even mentioned in the regimental history below. The zouaves came under particularly heavy fire when hitting the sunken road, the same action which earned Lt. Charles R. Tanner his Medal of Honor. They could be sprinkled in like some of the other mixed Zouaves/line regiments already in game. It would add even more variety to the union side.

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Four years in the war. The history of the First Regiment of Delaware Veteran Volunteers (https://archive.org/details/fouryearsinwarhi00murp/page/n159/)
Lt. Charles R. Tanner of the 1st Delaware Infantry Saves the Flag at Antietam (https://ironbrigader.com/2014/07/25/lt-charles-r-tanner-1st-delaware-infantry-saves-flag-antietam/)

[Deckhart]

Suggestion to update the 23rd NY flag to better represent the historically accurate one. (Can't find a picture anywhere we found this description)

Link: https://i.imgur.com/fYfIxg5.png

[Leifr]

I believe there is a large update arriving at some point pertaining to the historical accuracy of the flags.

[Deckhart]

I believe there is a large update arriving at some point pertaining to the historical accuracy of the flags.

Thanks for the intel!

[HolyRomanSloth]

I believe there is a large update arriving at some point pertaining to the historical accuracy of the flags.

Where'd you here that?

[SwingKid148]

Where'd you here that?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/424030/eventcomments/5188663423658300856/

While I can't speak for the 51st PA flag in particular I can say that we're currently working towards a massive flag-oriented update in the not too distant future. :)

- Trusty

[wayne184]

why cant i create a new post anywhere on the forums? i created a company and would like to have a page for it.

[Bradley]

why cant i create a new post anywhere on the forums? i created a company and would like to have a page for it.

There is a minimum number of posts required (https://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?6544-Why-so-much-hate&p=103246&viewfull=1#post103246) before users can create a thread.

Regards,

Bradley

[wayne184]

ok thanks

[Deckhart]

MFW my flag update request dosen't get added in the flag update :confused:

[A. P. Hill]

MFW my flag update request dosen't get added in the flag update :confused:

Maybe next time. :)

[Bradley]

Suggestion to update the 23rd NY flag to better represent the historically accurate one. (Can't find a picture anywhere we found this description)

Link: https://i.imgur.com/fYfIxg5.png

Do you have a citation for this excerpt?

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

can we please finally rename "Weavers Battery" to the correct name "Wevers Battery" ?

http://antietam.aotw.org/officers.php?officer_id=460

["SNAFU" Shinks]

Just a small request. The 12th Ohio's description is incorrect. Cincinnati was never the capital of Ohio. Columbus was the capital through the entire war and even continuing today. However Cincinnati was extremely important during the war. Being right across the Ohio River from Covington and New Port Kentucky.

[DavidFields]

Dear developers,
I propose some historical changes to be made to the 39th New York flag.
The first major change concerns the size of the flag, as you can see in this recolored image, the 39th New York flag with the words "Dio e Popolo" was much larger than the normal flags adopted by the US army. This is because this flag was an original flag of the "Roman Republic" established by Mazzini in 1849 and donated in May 1861 by General Avezzana to 39th New York.


https://www.warofrightsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12148&d=1602154045 (https://www.warofrightsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12148&d=1602154045)
The second change would concern the introduction of a second flag, less known but actually existed and documented in the books of Michael Bacarella and Catherine Catalfamo. It is reported, on the source of the newspaper "New York Times" that another flag similar to the Hungarian one was carried, with three bars (red, white and green), with the words "Vincere vel Mori" embroidered in gold in the center.
https://www.warofrightsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12149&d=1602154153 (https://www.warofrightsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12149&d=1602154153)


Let me know if you can make those changes.
Thank you very much for your availability


(In this last picture you can see the Officers Staff with in the background the three flags of the regiment, the "Hungarian" one, the National Colours, and the "Italian" one; the little flag in right front I suggest is the sergeant marker of the line (maybe?), anyway you can see this little flag in my signature)
https://www.warofrightsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12150&d=1602155787 (https://www.warofrightsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12150&d=1602155787)

[Bradley]

- An update to the Italian colors is coming soon and will be larger in scale. :D
- I'm not yet decided on the US colors or doing the Hungarian colors, but here's a great photo of the latter

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[DavidFields]

Thanks! I forget this picture, if you look closely there are also embroidered ribbons (sincerly I don't know how you say in english :confused:) that come down from the tip, those were sewn and embroidered by the godmothers of the regiment, as a tradition in the European regiments.
Many thanks !

[HolyRomanSloth]

Suggestion add Petit's Battery to WoR. IDK if you are still taking suggestions but we'd love to have them.

[TrustyJam]

Suggestion add Petit's Battery to WoR. IDK if you are still taking suggestions but we'd love to have them.

We are!

Was the battery in question in action in any of the skirmish areas featured in WoR?

- Trusty

[HolyRomanSloth]

We are!

Was the battery in question in action in any of the skirmish areas featured in WoR?

- Trusty

Yeah, they were at Antietam. [/URL] https://web.cortland.edu/woosterk/genweb/pettit.html (https://web.cortland.edu/woosterk/genweb/pettit.html)

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_B,_1st_New_York_Light_Artillery

[A. P. Hill]

Ah. The Artillery Reserve was associated with the V Corps ... or Porter's Corps. That unit stayed on the east side of the Antietam Creek for the whole fight. As all the units in Porter's V Corps also, while at the site of the battle ... didn't partake of any real action.

[HolyRomanSloth]

Ah. The Artillery Reserve was associated with the V Corps ... or Porter's Corps. That unit stayed on the east side of the Antietam Creek for the whole fight. As all the units in Porter's V Corps also, while at the site of the battle ... didn't partake of any real action.

They were attached to the Union II corps, first division. And were active at the battle. https://civilwarintheeast.com/us-regiments-batteries/new-york-regiments-and-batteries/artillery-and-engineers/1st-new-york-artillery-battery-b/

[Hinkel]

They were attached to the Union II corps, first division. And were active at the battle. https://civilwarintheeast.com/us-regiments-batteries/new-york-regiments-and-batteries/artillery-and-engineers/1st-new-york-artillery-battery-b/

There is a difference between the 1st New York LIGHT battery you suggested and the 1st New York Battery you posted above ;)

EDIT, nvm

[HolyRomanSloth]

There is a difference between the 1st New York LIGHT battery you suggested and the 1st New York Battery you posted above ;)

EDIT, nvm

No I believe they are the same. But I may be wrong, others would know much better then me.

Edit; Yes they were definitely the same battery. Both websites show they were mustered under Petit in August 1861.

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

There is a difference between the 1st New York LIGHT battery you suggested and the 1st New York Battery you posted above ;)

EDIT, nvm

There is the 1st New York Light Artillery Regiment

And the 1st New York Heavy Artillery Battalion

The last one contains Wevers Battery and not Weavers as i explained a bit up there without a response

[HolyRomanSloth]

There is the 1st New York Light Artillery Regiment

And the 1st New York Heavy Artillery Battalion

The last one contains Wevers Battery and not Weavers as i explained a bit up there without a response

Yeah, I'm referring to Petit's Battery which is completely in the 1stNY Light Artillery Battery B, Sometimes also just called the 1stNY Artillery which can get confusing.

[DIABLOG]

Snow's Battery B would also be a nice addition to Dunker Church, and will Battery flags ever be added?

[HolyRomanSloth]

So if more batteries are added, would that be with the release of another map or something or would you guys maybe just add some in part of a small update?

[DavidFields]

Dear developers, there will be the opportunity to introduce in future the "Bruen's Battery" (10th New York Independent Light Battery, also aka "2nd Excelsior Battery")? I find out an image of the fights at Green's High where there is also the Bruen's Battery.
Thanks for your availability :)
Here the link
http://antietam.aotw.org/officers.php?unit_id=464

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[SwingKid148]

Sadly they've stated several times they weren't going to be adding new batteries to existing maps.

<3 Whiting's Battery

[Kyle422]

Dear Devs. I am not sure who you have making the units but the 5th new york is in DIRE need of being added correctly!!! Their flag is not only wrong its missing one of the more important details to it. . Also some of the NCO jackets should have GOLD trim around the red trim the WHOLE way around the jackets. This started in 1862. Here are pictures of original jackets. Its just sad to see little research done when units are added.

https://imgur.com/9YP5bYi.png

https://imgur.com/hbpTOIq.png

https://imgur.com/lp4KUrJ.png

Here is a painting of the 5th New York at gains mill with the correct NCO and flag that should be in game

https://imgur.com/1cAx7nZ.png

Also here are the best pictures I could find of the flag New york isnt good at documenting their flags.
https://imgur.com/R10q68W.png

https://imgur.com/TEqRr7T.png

https://imgur.com/6sTITkx.png

[Kyle422]

Post has been updated with more correct information

[TrustyJam]

Thanks for the feedback, I’ve linked it to our researchers to verify or disprove. I would appreciate if you don’t slam us for not trying - we really do and it makes listening to your feedback ever harder.

- Trusty

[Bradley]

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The flags the 5th New York are carrying in-game are essentially exact copies of the two 5th New York flags in the Civil War flags collection with the New York State Division of Military and Naval Affairs. Do you have any sources that they carried something different during the Maryland Campaign?

Any mistakes with the flags are entirely my responsibility, someone else will have to address the uniforms/NCO ranks.

[GeorgeCrecy]

Hey there Kyle,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention! Yes, you are very right regarding how some of the 5th NCOs would have the gold braid on their jackets, so when our character artist is next able, they will be sure to add this as well for both historicity and variety-sake. However, we will be measured in how many would have it due to two different factors.
First, we should consider that with these uniforms needing to be privately purchased, a jacket of this sort could easily cost almost $50 to have made for them,* which was several months' worth of pay to pitch for but one jacket. That being said, uniformity and pride in one's unit would also be a factor in the decision to save and buy one. Secondly, we should also consider the timeframe. After severe losses at both Gaines' Mill and 2nd Bull Run, we would be speaking of many battlefield promotions less than a month prior, and a total strength of 208 at Antietam.** As such, few of the new NCO's would have had the time to get new jackets or have their jackets redone, and as such would probably have done little more than this Corporal was able to do for his jacket:

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As said, when able, we will be happy to include this added bit of variety for some NCO spawns, but I am happy to report that the uniforms already in-game are not as lacking in their historical basis as would otherwise be claimed. As always, however, please don't stop bringing up one's possible concerns, as we are happy to look into them and see what can be done!

* Price estimated off of prices tabulated in Life in Civil War America. Pg. 153.
**Carmen, Ezra. The Antietam Manuscript of Ezra Ayres Carmen. Pg 59. http://www.8cv.org/carman/EzraCarman.pdf

[Kyle422]

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The flags the 5th New York are carrying in-game are essentially exact copies of the two 5th New York flags in the Civil War flags collection with the New York State Division of Military and Naval Affairs. Do you have any sources that they carried something different during the Maryland Campaign?

Any mistakes with the flags are entirely my responsibility, someone else will have to address the uniforms/NCO ranks.

Yes I have a whole lot of information and unpublished pictures of 5th New York members. Actually before Antietam. I will see about getting that information to you. I am in the process of digitalizing most of such. Also have pictures of pretty much every 5th NY uniform in existence.

[Kyle422]

Hey there Kyle,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention! Yes, you are very right regarding how some of the 5th NCOs would have the gold braid on their jackets, so when our character artist is next able, they will be sure to add this as well for both historicity and variety-sake. However, we will be measured in how many would have it due to two different factors.
First, we should consider that with these uniforms needing to be privately purchased, a jacket of this sort could easily cost almost $50 to have made for them,* which was several months' worth of pay to pitch for but one jacket. That being said, uniformity and pride in one's unit would also be a factor in the decision to save and buy one. Secondly, we should also consider the timeframe. After severe losses at both Gaines' Mill and 2nd Bull Run, we would be speaking of many battlefield promotions less than a month prior, and a total strength of 208 at Antietam.** As such, few of the new NCO's would have had the time to get new jackets or have their jackets redone, and as such would probably have done little more than this Corporal was able to do for his jacket:

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As said, when able, we will be happy to include this added bit of variety for some NCO spawns, but I am happy to report that the uniforms already in-game are not as lacking in their historical basis as would otherwise be claimed. As always, however, please don't stop bringing up one's possible concerns, as we are happy to look into them and see what can be done!

* Price estimated off of prices tabulated in Life in Civil War America. Pg. 153.
**Carmen, Ezra. The Antietam Manuscript of Ezra Ayres Carmen. Pg 59. http://www.8cv.org/carman/EzraCarman.pdf

As far as privately purchased the answer to that is yes and no there was a whole company in the 5th New York that had gold trim around there jackets. The captain who’s name escapes me at the moment mandated that all his men were to have gold trim. I have a picture on my phone of this officer that made his men wear this uniform.

[HolyRomanSloth]

Sadly they've stated several times they weren't going to be adding new batteries to existing maps.

<3 Whiting's Battery

Where did they say this?

[A. P. Hill]

Every battery that was with both armies is listed in the Company Tool. While some may disagree on naming convention, they are there.

(If they were actually there, some batteries, on both sides, we're ordered to not participate, based on their current working capacity. Shortages of men, horses, even guns were causes of being ordered to stand down. Several Confederate batteries, were ordered to stay at Leesburg due to depleted conditions, where they were then ordered to Winchester to be recruited and refit. Other batteries were ordered to remain at Harpers Ferry, for the same reasons.
Several Federal batteries were ordered to D.C., after Second Manassas for the same reasons, including, loss of guns in that battle.)

As for which battery that gets used in the current skirmish areas most are local to the area they're on, per the Battlefield Preservation Maps, others not currently showing in game will, or would require new skirmish maps.

[HolyRomanSloth]

Every battery that was with both armies is listed in the Company Tool. While some may disagree on naming convention, they are there.

(If they were actually there, some batteries, on both sides, we're ordered to not participate, based on their current working capacity. Shortages of men, horses, even guns were causes of being ordered to stand down. Several Confederate batteries, were ordered to stay at Leesburg due to depleted conditions, where they were then ordered to Winchester to be recruited and refit. Other batteries were ordered to remain at Harpers Ferry, for the same reasons.
Several Federal batteries were ordered to D.C., after Second Manassas for the same reasons, including, loss of guns in that battle.)

As for which battery that gets used in the current skirmish areas most are local to the area they're on, per the Battlefield Preservation Maps, others not currently showing in game will, or would require new skirmish maps.

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[SwingKid148]

Where did they say this?

It was said earlier this year in the steam chat when artillery was being brought up. Once they said whatever battery was in-game now would be it, we changed from Whiting's to Clark's battery to keep with our in-game unit desires.

[Bl1zzt3r]

To whom it may concern,
I bring forth a few small nitpicks I have with some player models from both of the cavalry regiments (4thPA & 6thPA) those being the positioning of the saber, lack of spurs on brogans, and blankets being carried by troopers in 6thPA.

The lack of spurs is something that caught my attention almost immediately when I first decided to start a Cavalry regiment. Upon inspecting each and every model of both units I noticed that models that wear brogans instead of the issued 12inch boots lack the regulation M1859 spurs which were issued to all cavalry troopers and horse artillery troops. From most photos, I have seen cavalry troopers wearing what appear to be brogans all of them (or at least the majority) seem to have their spurs on as well.

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The next item being the position of the saber when dismounted, currently, the saber is positioned incorrectly as to how it would have been when dismounted for both officers and troopers alike. Within every manual, they all say the exact same thing.

Manual of arms, the saber being worn.

"The troopers, having the saber hooked up with the hilt to the rear, are exercised at the manual of arms after the principles laid down in the second part of the lesson; they are then taught to draw the saber, to present it, and to return it."

There is an illustration to showcase what it should look like however, I cannot download it for some reason. Basically, it is exactly facing the opposite way of how it currently is in-game.

Lastly, the blankets on two private models of the 6th PA, I have yet to see a photo that shows dismounted cavalry troopers (or mounted) wearing their wool blankets across their chest like how the infantry would. Most of the troopers carried them on their horse attached to the rear of their saddle and even some of them used it as the saddle blanket itself getting rid of the issued blue and red patterned one. To me, it seems kinda silly that you would carry a blanket on your person when you wouldn't have to especially being a mounted soldier.

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Also, a small request could you give all the troopers holsters however, keep the same limit to revolvers?

[DavidFields]

Every battery that was with both armies is listed in the Company Tool. While some may disagree on naming convention, they are there.

(If they were actually there, some batteries, on both sides, we're ordered to not participate, based on their current working capacity. Shortages of men, horses, even guns were causes of being ordered to stand down. Several Confederate batteries, were ordered to stay at Leesburg due to depleted conditions, where they were then ordered to Winchester to be recruited and refit. Other batteries were ordered to remain at Harpers Ferry, for the same reasons.
Several Federal batteries were ordered to D.C., after Second Manassas for the same reasons, including, loss of guns in that battle.)

As for which battery that gets used in the current skirmish areas most are local to the area they're on, per the Battlefield Preservation Maps, others not currently showing in game will, or would require new skirmish maps.

Of course, I just wanted to know if "Bruen's Battery" (officially 10th New York Independent Battery or also called "2nd Excelsior Battery") will be added in the future with an East Woods map update as well. I leave the link (http://antietam.aotw.org/maps.php?map_number=4) of the fights I am talking about, which took place in that area around 10:30 AM on 17 September.

[DavidFields]

I find out an interesting sketch made by a soldier of the 1st Rhode Island about a soldier of the 39th NY.
What rifle he could have?
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[TrustyJam]

I find out an interesting sketch made by a soldier of the 1st Rhode Island about a soldier of the 39th NY.
What rifle he could have?
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M1841 Mississippi with a saber bayonet - as the unit is also using in the game. :)

- Trusty

[DavidFields]

yeah, it is my first thought, especially for the lenght of the barrel and for the sight. But there is someone on the Facebook group where I find out the picture that think that is the Springfield m1855 with sword bayonet.
Anyway, I think it's an incredible and unique source

[DavidFields]

Tonight during the weekly training we find out this nice bug :rolleyes:
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[Bradley]

Woops! Very nice catch.

[Gerry O'hara]

Dears devs', could you create Cobb's Legion in ingame?

[Bl1zzt3r]

To whom it may concern,
I bring forth a few small nitpicks I have with some player models from both of the cavalry regiments (4thPA & 6thPA) those being the positioning of the saber, lack of spurs on brogans, and blankets being carried by troopers in 6thPA.

The lack of spurs is something that caught my attention almost immediately when I first decided to start a Cavalry regiment. Upon inspecting each and every model of both units I noticed that models which wear brogans instead of the issued 12inch boots lack the regulation M1859 spurs which were issued to all cavalry troopers and horse artillery troops. From most photos, I have seen of cavalry troopers wearing what appear to be brogans all of them (or at least the majority) seem to have their spurs on as well.

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The next item being the position of the saber when dismounted, currently, the saber is positioned incorrectly as to how it would have been when dismounted for both officers and troopers alike. Within every manual, they all say the exact same thing..

Manual of arms, the saber being worn.

"The troopers, having the saber hooked up with the hilt to the rear, are exercised at the manual of arms after the principles laid down in the second part of the lesson; they are then taught to draw the saber, to present it, and to return it."

There is an illustration to showcase what it should look like however, I cannot download it for some reason. Basically, it is exactly facing the opposite way of how it currently is in-game.

Lastly, the blankets on two private models of the 6th PA, I have yet to see a photo which shows dismounted cavalry troopers (or mounted) wearing their wool blankets across their chest like how the infantry would. Most of the troopers carried them on their horse attached to the rear of their saddle and even some of them used it as the saddle blanket itself getting rid of the issued blue and red patterned one. To me, it seems kinda silly that you would carry a blanket on your person when you wouldn't have to especially being a mounted soldier.

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Also, a small request could you give all the troopers holsters however, keep the same limit to revolvers?

Of course, I'm no historian merely a humble nerd with a passion for research, so if I'm mistaken I do apologize

[Gerry O'hara]

Dears devs', i would llike to know if it should be possible to integrate ingame Cobb's Legion uniforms? i ask you because they were on south mountain and bloody Lane. Also i did some searches about Cobb's Uniform.
https://militaryimages.atavist.com/georgians-in-gray-spring-2020
https://sites.google.com/site/kevinwancestry/men-of-wofford-s-georgia-brigade
https://cowanauctions.com/lot/confederate-frock-coat-and-kepi-of-j-f-wilson-co-d-cobb-s-legion-40811
https://vault.georgiaarchives.org/digital/collection/flag/id/107/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/day-by-day-with-cobbs-georgia-legion-infantry.122925/
more the historical book about Cobb's Legion:
http://cobbslegioninfantry.com/

[TheobaldWolfe_Tone]

It would be nice to have Company A, Clinch Rifles, It was a Rifle Unit that was part of the 5th Georgia Volunteer Infantry. and It was on the Confederate Side. Here is information about them and their uniforms and a few imagines of them. 12355123561235712358123591236012361

[Hinkel]

It would be nice to have Company A, Clinch Rifles, It was a Rifle Unit that was part of the 5th Georgia Volunteer Infantry. and It was on the Confederate Side. Here is information about them and their uniforms and a few imagines of them. 12355123561235712358123591236012361

Sadly, the game is about the Maryland Campaign of 1862 and does not feature the western theatre. The 5th Georgia Volunteer Infantry was not active at Antietam and won't be featured.

[Bradley]

Unlikely there were many Confederate companies still wearing early war garb such as that by Summer '62, anyway. Pretty much everyone was depot or commutation.

[Bl1zzt3r]

To whom it may concern,
I bring forth a few small nitpicks I have with some player models from both of the cavalry regiments (4thPA & 6thPA) those being the positioning of the saber, lack of spurs on brogans, and blankets being carried by troopers in 6thPA.

The lack of spurs is something that caught my attention almost immediately when I first decided to start a Cavalry regiment. Upon inspecting each and every model of both units I noticed that models that wear brogans instead of the issued 12inch boots lack the regulation M1859 spurs which were issued to all cavalry troopers and horse artillery troops. From most photos, I have seen cavalry troopers wearing what appear to be brogans all of them (or at least the majority) seem to have their spurs on as well.

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The next item being the position of the saber when dismounted, currently, the saber is positioned incorrectly as to how it would have been when dismounted for both officers and troopers alike. Within every manual, they all say the exact same thing.

Manual of arms, the saber being worn.

"The troopers, having the saber hooked up with the hilt to the rear, are exercised at the manual of arms after the principles laid down in the second part of the lesson; they are then taught to draw the saber, to present it, and to return it."

There is an illustration to showcase what it should look like however, I cannot download it for some reason. Basically, it is exactly facing the opposite way of how it currently is in-game.

Lastly, the blankets on two private models of the 6th PA, I have yet to see a photo that shows dismounted cavalry troopers (or mounted) wearing their wool blankets across their chest like how the infantry would. Most of the troopers carried them on their horse attached to the rear of their saddle and even some of them used it as the saddle blanket itself getting rid of the issued blue and red patterned one. To me, it seems kinda silly that you would carry a blanket on your person when you wouldn't have to especially being a mounted soldier.

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Also, a small request could you give all the troopers holsters however, keep the same limit to revolvers?

Quoting so CG can see. (too lazy to retype)

[DavidFields]

Hi, I would like to suggest the introduction of the Lorenz "2nd type" with the adjustable sight. This version of the Lorenz was also sold to the armies of the Union and the Confederation

Lorenz "2nd Type"
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[TheobaldWolfe_Tone]

I have a question, Why isn't the 1st and 2nd United States Sharpshooters in all of the Maps? except the Union Training Camp Map? Plus in a few maps, both sides have Cavalry. It just isn't fair to 1st and 2nd United States Sharpshooters Regiments to have their unit only on the union training camp instead of on all the battle maps.

[A. P. Hill]

I have a question, Why isn't the 1st and 2nd United States Sharpshooters in all of the Maps? except the Union Training Camp Map? Plus in a few maps, both sides have Cavalry. It just isn't fair to 1st and 2nd United States Sharpshooters Regiments to have their unit only on the union training camp instead of on all the battle maps.

Because for one, The 1st and 2nd SS were assigned to different organizations within the Army of the Potomac.

The 2nd US Sharpshooters were assigned to the Hooker's I Corps, 1st Division, 1st Brigade under Phelps.
The 1st US Sharpshooters were assigned to the Porter's V Corps, 1st Division, 3rd Brigade under Stockton.

As far as Drill Camp goes, there is no organizational association with any one particular regiment, it's just a place where you can train regardless of unit.

Currently, (unless it got updated,) the 1st US SS, are mistakenly placed in Hooker's Push map. It should be the 2nd US SS. As for seeing the 1st US SS, since the V Corps was never actively used at the battle of Antietam it's likely you'll never see any of the V Corps units employed on any map.

Also because of their weaponry, the Sharpshooters are in limited quantity on that map as well. As it takes less time to load the breech loader than the muzzle loader.

[Jagdmann]

Dear Gentlemen,

I want to draw your attention to a problem with the Battleflags of the 56th Virginia. Currently there is a southern cross variant, which is absolutely ok, but there is also that green flag belonging solely to the "Emerald Guards" of the 33rd Virginia. I already wrote with Bradley via Steam, but in the end he said he couldn't do much about it, as the historical sources are scarce to say the least. Anyhow he seems to be only there to create new content (so flags) but not to correct mistakes of the past. In my view it is simply a mistake that the Emerald Guards Flag found its way to the 56th Virginia too.

The 56th Virginia received like almost all Virginia units the blue state flag in November 1861 in Camp Lee. There is a chance that they lost it in the struggle at Fort Donnelson but I did not come across sources which would verify nor disprove about that until today.

In any case, it is simply wrong that the 56th Virginia has the flag of the 33rd Emerald Guards. So what I want to ask you guys if there is a way to remove the Emerald Guards flag from the 56th Virginia. If they should get the blue state flag may be a thing only you guys could decide. I would just be happy if there would just be two southern cross flags for the 56th Virginia.

P.S. Well I would also like to see the blue flag with the 56th Virginia. They came out of Fort Donnelson (the two thirds of the regiment, which came out) by steamboat. I guess they would have had the flag board any vessel as soon as possible, given the flag was not with the other third of the regiment which got captured at Fort Donnelson)

Thanks for reading and hopefully responding to this. I will recall this every now and then, don't worry. :)

Cheers Gentlemen.

[Bradley]

Anyhow he seems to be only there to create new content (so flags) but not to correct mistakes of the past.
I have already told you that the duplication of the Emerald Guard flag on the 56th Regiment is a glitch, but I also explained that until I have created flags for the 56th, for which there are very sparse records, I'm not going to waste development time with a temporary placeholder.

What blue flag are you referring to? What source do you have that it was carried away by a steamboat?

[Jagdmann]

Hey mate, thanks for the quick response! OK I guess I somehow overread the info that at some point in the future you would turn your attention towards the 56th and create their flags. What I am wondering is can't we just remove the emerald flag and only have the southern cross (which is the actual 2nd flag ingame for the 56thVA) available for the unit?



What blue flag are you referring to? What source do you have that it was carried away by a steamboat?

Well I am referring to the blue virginia state flag, which all the virginian units got presented at the beginning of the war. At least the 56th got theirs in Cam Lee in 1861. And no I don't have a source for the flag being carried away by steamboat, but the remaining men of the 56th went out by boat from Donnelson. And then I was just hoping/dreaming that the flag was not captured in this fiasco. �� No the next hard evidence about the 56th VAs flag is then the captured southern cross from Gettysburg. Where they lost their state flag exactly is open to discussion I think.

Again thanx for reading and responding here! We and I do massively appreciate your work for the flags mate, thanks!

If you could put a sentence about if it would be possible to just remove the Emerald flag, I would be grateful. Thanx again!

[Jagdmann]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9dnktrWjiA


Damn... indeed that monster of a flag is hard to erase!

[Bradley]

:p Great video, I appreciate y'all's passion. 56th Va. is on my to-do list.

[Jagdmann]

:p Great video, I appreciate y'all's passion. 56th Va. is on my to-do list.

That's great news, mate! Thank you very, very much! We appreciate your work alike. I hope you are not bothered too bad by our whining. :D

Cheers, good Sir!

[Bradley]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2589099875

Coming soon...

There are no known flags associated with the 56th Virginia Infantry and no descriptions that I have found of any flag belonging to this regiment during the Maryland Campaign, and so I copied the pattern from an artifact carried by a Virginia regiment raised in '62. In other words, something that would make sense in the 56th VA's possession well after being captured at Fort Donelson and exchanged. In all likelihood, they carried a 2nd Issue battleflag and so that is what I've gone with, here.

[Jagdmann]

Awesome!!! Thank you so very much! I do absolutely love that flag! I just remind, that "Mecklenburg Guards" is just the nick of Company A, not of the whole regiment. But well I can't read the whole text of the banner. Anyway we love it, its now just up to you guys if you can cope with it from the historical point of view.

Again we are more than happy and thank you very much!!

[[5thALB(Co.A)]Pvt. Klub]

Since this is the only place i can speak ill just get it out here. Why can't i post new threads? I'd love to complain about the bs admin that banned me today for no good reason on Par Antietampalooza. I logged in and joined the server. Joined as a private. Took 2 shots in formation over a fence and as i started to move with formation i was banned. No tks. No words were even spoken by me yet xD. If someone could lead me to any kind of support with this, i would be highly appreciative. No i don't know how to use forums well. So please don't tell me this isn't the place, just direct me to where i can get help with this admin.

[[5thALB(Co.A)]Pvt. Klub]

I would really love to play this game but when u get banned on the only 200 person server, it's like throwing 30 bucks in the trash.

[Leifr]

Pvt. Klub;106987']Since this is the only place i can speak ill just get it out here. Why can't i post new threads? I'd love to complain about the bs admin that banned me today for no good reason on Par Antietampalooza. I logged in and joined the server. Joined as a private. Took 2 shots in formation over a fence and as i started to move with formation i was banned. No tks. No words were even spoken by me yet xD. If someone could lead me to any kind of support with this, i would be highly appreciative. No i don't know how to use forums well. So please don't tell me this isn't the place, just direct me to where i can get help with this admin.

You require a minimum of ten posts before starting a thread.
I suspect that you were banned from a privately-owned server. If this is so, you will likely not reach them here on the official forum. Your best option is to find a senior representative on the official Discord here (https://discord.gg/gCJqtyc2).

[Rawlins]

Klub, I'm an admin on a PAR server. Send me your steam profile and ID and I can look into why you were banned or getting you unbanned.

If you want to reach out via discord, https://discord.gg/Y9dsE85tH5