***Community Leadership Meeting***

[PAIOLETTI]

I wanted to thank all Company to Battalion leaders who came out and took part in these discussions. Everyone acted as gentlemen and these type of talks are good for the game and community as a whole (especially the new players). It is important that we as leaders are all on the same page and willing to sit down and discuss potential problems within the community as well as organization for events. I will be in contact with leaders from within the community to let them know about event times and servers, and with the help of my friend Severus, i am now a moderator for the War of Rights Community Steam Group so now all Seven Thousand people within this will be notified 30 min before event and at the start of event without confusion. I would also like to thank Trustyjam for being there in person and Kyle for doing a great job moderating.

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/WORCOMM

^above is the War of Rights Community Steam Group, all in the community are welcome to join whether you are enlisted in a regiment or not.

-Major General Paioletti [II Corps-6th Louisiana Battalion (A/B/C/D-D'aquins Battery)]

[Sals Cousin]

IP banned for creating a fake account in order to cause mischief and disrupt the community. Next one will be your actual account, Sir_Squiggles

- Trusty

[MN_for_Life]

That meeting was an absolute farce. The above meme pretty much sums it up.

[Redleader]

People need to get some stuff of their chest ... fine.
But for the rest is was civil and people took the time to listen.

It's a first step in a direction ... and sure things need to be worked on.

Give diplomacy a try … and if else fails … I get a holiday ? :p

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

@OP

I don't want to be salty but would you be so kind and rename the thread to NA community meeting since it's more precise to what it was.

Thank you.



Best wishes from a EU member of this community who has a job and can't attend at a meeting at Monday 1 am. Thanks for taking consideration ;)

[brentcarter]

Yeah good for the NA folk to have such a good meeting.

[Redleader]

I don't want to be salty but would you be so kind and rename the thread to NA community meeting since it's more precise to what it was.

Best wishes from a EU member of this community who has a job and can't attend at a meeting at Monday 1 am. Thanks for taking consideration ;)

For the moment some issues 'discussed' are less of an issue for us 'EU' people.
In the future it might be an opportunity to set up those meetings for the 'EU' event/community.

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

For the moment some issues 'discussed' are less of an issue for us 'EU' people.
In the future it might be an opportunity to set up those meetings for the 'EU' event/community.

the simple fact to call it a community meeting when it's in fact just was available for NA guys and CG doesn't care about it makes me feel sad.

[Bravescot]

This is all I'm going to say on the matter.

It was a car crash and a half. I asked II Corps to simply to keep their lads in order on the forum for the betterment of the community as the behaviour of members from their organisation was repreatedly getting threads locked, their members banned and gave the community a poor like. I even apologies before everyone for my past actions and honestly the reply I got was just terrible and really summed up what I've come to think of II Corps. Lt. Col. LaBelle backed up my point made in the meeting so this "meme" suggesting I tried anything with the 1stTX is farcical.

I stand with 0 bans to my name because unlike others whilst my words might not be kind or warm all the time I refrain from stooping to name calling and lying. Swing that ego all you like II Corps, your behaviour last night towards the point I made has done nothing but ill for you.

[MN_for_Life]

You're a hypocrite Bravscot.

[LaBelle]

I'd like to thank all of the men and women who showed up to the meeting. I think progress was made, and the resulting event that followed was one of the smoothest I've seen ever.

We had a few EU members, but it's true that we could stand to try and include ALL of our EU leaders next time. We'll be having these meetings every two weeks. Paioletti will do his best to keep you EU boys informed, as will I.

[TrustyJam]

the simple fact to call it a community meeting when it's in fact just was available for NA guys and CG doesn't care about it makes me feel sad.

I don't understand why you feel the need to bring us into this?

The above was a community hosted meeting, not a meeting hosted by Campfire Games.

To everyone, keep it civil or this will get shut down.

I feel sad about the anger still present in some of you. I went away from the meeting thinking it had turned out pretty well considering everything.

There's little reason for these meetings if people don't speak their minds during them and instead let loose on the forums afterwards.

It then becomes the opposite of what it was supposed to do. Instead of healing the community you create more poision for it for all members, old and new to see.

My suggestion is now to either admit defeat as a whole and ignore each other for the rest of the lifetime of this game, causing great harm to the game and its community or keep the meetings going and fully engage in the disagreements there (no other topics, no deadline of the end of the meeting) until they have become solved or you've ended up with the first option.

Both of these outcomes (although the latter obviously much better for everyone) are to be preferred over the way things are currently.


- Trusty

[sal_tuskin]

bravescot at it again not getting his way and then calling it a car crash lol and you are mad at me hell i dont start any of this you do it all by yourself next time dont try to dictate what others should do and you might get better responses

we all want a better community and up to week ago there wasnt really any problems why is there now nothing has changed much just leave it be play events when the times and everyone is happy you dont need to make waves to get noticed you save that for ingame
people will play this game as they see fit and there is room for everyone just get along being big has no impact on this game what so ever there are 1000s of server spaces for all to play
and only time i was banned from these forums was a trusty and me prob not the communities 90% of my post are after someone else starts a negative post about me or my company or corps and that i will tolerate at all

i feel there really isnt much a problem in the game it seems a few individuals are trying to make some and i dont think that is right

my new motto

JUST PLAY THE GAME

[Fubar]

bravescot at it again not getting his way and then calling it a car crash lol and you are mad at me hell i dont start any of this you do it all by yourself next time dont try to dictate what others should do and you might get better responses

we all want a better community and up to week ago there wasnt really any problems why is there now nothing has changed much just leave it be play events when the times and everyone is happy you dont need to make waves to get noticed you save that for ingame
people will play this game as they see fit and there is room for everyone just get along being big has no impact on this game what so ever there are 1000s of server spaces for all to play
and only time i was banned from these forums was a trusty and me prob not the communities 90% of my post are after someone else starts a negative post about me or my company or corps and that i will tolerate at all

i feel there really isnt much a problem in the game it seems a few individuals are trying to make some and i dont think that is right

my new motto

JUST PLAY THE GAME



SAL TUSKIN!
please be respectful and be a good little boy for daddy and I'll take you for Ice cream when you get home from school.

http://i.imgur.com/AmGBdzW.jpg

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

I don't understand why you feel the need to bring us into this?

The above was a community hosted meeting, not a meeting hosted by Campfire Games.



I just express my mixed feeling about the fact that CG didn't take a look about the time and the availability for all members.

I don't care about some childish fights. This is a game and I want to have fun. It's sad that I didn't had the opportunity to meet CG and ask a couple of questions since I wish a discussion with you, the team and the community for a long time.

best regards

[TrustyJam]

I just express my mixed feeling about the fact that CG didn't take a look about the time and the availability for all members.

I don't care about some childish fights. This is a game and I want to have fun. It's sad that I didn't had the opportunity to meet CG and ask a couple of questions since I wish a discussion with you, the team and the community for a long time.

best regards

It was not for us to decide as we weren't the hosts.

If it helps in any way I didn't engage in discussions there I was only in on a listen.

- Trusty

[Redleader]

the simple fact to call it a community meeting when it's in fact just was available for NA guys and CG doesn't care about it makes me feel sad.

Every 'regiment' on the 'officers chat' could post his/her representatives :

-> I agree maybe not all 'active' regiments where involved in that, attempts where made to invite a lot.
-> The voting on the 'starting hour' was done to see what most 'saw' as a good time to start off on.
-> It wasn't ideal for the 'EU' representation (for me it was at 1 o'clock in the morning) BUT :
-> although we have a descent of "non NA players", for most part the community is 'NA'.
-> it was more urgent for the 'NA' community to get together and deal with some outstanding issues.

For events people try to organize 'EU' and 'NA' events so 'players' from different timezones get a chance on participating.
-> and there are also some people caught between these two timezones, we got a big diversity going here :)




I don't care about some childish fights. This is a game and I want to have fun. It's sad that I didn't had the opportunity to meet CG and ask a couple of questions since I wish a discussion with you, the team and the community for a long time.

The meeting was less about game development and more about organizing events, partially it also resulted on addressing some bad sentiment from within the community.
But I hope in the future there will be meetings where the community can discuss game mechanics, brainstorm and propose certain ideas.

[Leifr]

This is all I'm going to say on the matter.

It was a car crash and a half. I asked II Corps to simply to keep their lads in order on the forum for the betterment of the community as the behaviour of members from their organisation was repreatedly getting threads locked, their members banned and gave the community a poor like.

For the sake of clarity, I have banned only spam bots and the countless dupes of Larson. The ban-list is currently three pages long, the aforementioned populating it with some exception for individual cases. I cannot recall any instance of temporarily banning II Corps members, much less permanently, from this forum. In fact, I struggle to recall the banning of any active and involved person here on this forum regardless of affiliation.

Locked threads are usually locked to ease off the flare of tempers, as all parties involved are guilty from time to time and not because of any specific person or group.

[Redleader]

I can almost guarantee you the same people who upvoted this anti-II Corps meme (https://www.reddit.com/r/WarOfRights/comments/9h9zyj/relevant/) on Reddit are probably deeply offended by Squiggle's meme in this thread.


The person's 'nickname' who posted that 'meme' = Wor_Shitposter … -> that kind of puts perspective to it :)

I can see the humor in all of this but on the other hand see people might get offended or provoked and that's how internet is for a lot of things lately.

Humor is also a way to communicate and 'ease' tension, not everyone likes or gets some sort of humor.

[Rickie Spanish]

I wasn't in the meeting since im just a low ranking old prospector but the issue vibes I've been picking up from forums i feel like are in the area of (maybe i'm wrong):

1. Some combo of the sentiment of: there are a few trolls/not fun people to play with & some people that dont follow set rules in line events.
There's only so much anyone can do about this. leaders can do their best to control their peeps but until there are in game admins/private servers, its the best we can do.

2. 2nd corps takes up too much of event population/let others play/etc..
This isnt going to be the response I assume some want, but this feels like a too bad item currently. Yes, the individuals in the community conglomerate into these defined groups but at the core, we're still all just people that want to play the game. In the current phase of this game and with no private servers (and how these things affect/effect the player base and opportunity for an individual to play the game period), it just is what it is here. Just seems counter intuitive to tell people they cant or shouldnt play in something at the games current state. Currently they're the biggest active group (I stress currently). Best we can do until is have leaders work together to set particular events up with particular groups.

It just seems like a lot of the "issues" will be solved by Beta & private servers. We do the best we can until then.



I appreciate the work our leaders are putting in to work together. I probably shouldnt have even commented since I wasnt in the meeting and certainly am not meaning to restir up anything that was maybe sorted out in the meeting already (especially if it was sorted out in opposition to anything I said).

Im literally game for anything, just tell me what you want me to do (good soldier here). I just love playing this game and having fun.

[LaBelle]

There's always going to be bumps in the road, but I really believe we made some ground last night. I'm just glad everyone gave the meeting chance enough to be there.

[Redleader]

There's always going to be bumps in the road, but I really believe we made some ground last night. I'm just glad everyone gave the meeting chance enough to be there.

Thanks for coming also and hope things don't go to waste and that in a later fase more of the community can be involved.
But it will all depend on what happens next like Trusty nicely stated, but seems there's some old bad blood running ….

Maybe a little story about Wild West online.


I was doing a mission to get some furs, so I set out 5+ traps to make it go faster (Yes, I'm a rich sherrif).
Some person came up and had the same mission but didn't have any traps.
He looted the ones I put down every time before I could, I said nothing … but got a little frustrated.
He left and a 'shack' further up there was a little build 'plant patch' … I looted it.
Same guy jumps up and goes crazy, telling me to stay away from his 'plant patch' …
I asked him : If he liked that people looted his stuff …. things got a little more heated.
Then I said sorry and that I didn't know the 'patch' was from someone and I dropped a few bags of seeds.
Guys mood changed instantly and he was grateful since he didn't have much things.
So we changed out our inventory and worked together for a little while and we both felt better.


P.S. : Old prospector -> keep up that positive spirit !

[LaBelle]

You play Wild West Online? How is that?

[Redleader]

You play Wild West Online? How is that?

I was one of the 'early birds' with some of my friends and while some stuff was fun, the game felt outdated and lacking content.
Some said it was a 'Sergey Titov' scam and warned … but I gave it a try … sadly I'm feeling it's not going to cut it.

It would of been great to have an MP (mmo) western with roleplaying, some SP (singleplayer) content … crafting … character build … rpg …
Like a Fallout game in a Western setting online :p

People jumped on the bandwagon hype for Red Dead Redemption and people got carried away.
'Red Dead Redemption' and "last of us" is a reason why I would consider a console … there are some good exclusives.

On topic related to this one:



fun or reward system can be a contributing factor for a game's succes.
a community can make or break a game
a good dev/player relationship and regular updates(we got plenty already)/feedback is important
good content and regular adding it (could be DLC, cosmetics …)
graphics that work for a game (Minecraft, TF2, BF1 all have different graphics that work for their game)
good bug hunting (I mean like the computer bugs, but sure we can hunt some 'Arachnids' for example)

[TrustyJam]

I was one of the 'early birds' with some of my friends and while some stuff was fun, the game felt outdated and lacking content.
Some said it was a 'Sergey Titov' scam and warned … but I gave it a try … sadly I'm feeling it's not going to cut it.

It would of been great to have an MP (mmo) western with roleplaying, some SP (singleplayer) content … crafting … character build … rpg …
Like a Fallout game in a Western setting online :p

People jumped on the bandwagon hype for Red Dead Redemption and people got carried away.
'Red Dead Redemption' and "last of us" is a reason why I would consider a console … there are some good exclusives.

Rockstar made a killing on GTA V for PC - I feel confident RDR 2 will be released on PC eventually. :)

That being said, let's keep this thread on-topic.

- Trusty

[John Cooley]

I let the others in II Corps speak their peace because ... as we have been telling the Deaf Posts in this community ...
Company Commanders have full autonomy and the Administrators of II Corps DO NOT police another person's company.
I dont want some LEG Infantryman telling my Troopers what to do and I have neither the time or desire to babysit your unit.

I made one suggestion, last night, that was well received and followed the Meeting Rules by not bashing.

Now I am not sure how others were raised but I taught my kids that just because you say "I dont mean to be rude but", "I dont mean to name names but" and "I dont want to call anyone out but" ...does not give you permission or protection when you do exactly what you said you didnt mean to do.

It is laughable to say this was a civil meeting except for II Corps members when it was Bravescot who went off topic, made one of those worthless preambles, attacked II Corps and named 4 specific people resulting in Kyle having to tell him to stop. He was warned and that was sufficient because he grudgingly stopped but then to continue it here in the forums is sadly ... typical.



There's little reason for these meetings if people don't speak their minds during them and instead let loose on the forums afterwards.
- Trusty
I completely agree but we were told specifically NOT to speak our minds about other players or units AND that nothing on the technical aspects of the game would be addressed.
Despite the Northern propaganda the first person to break that Rule wasnt from II Corps or even a Confederate.

Regarding the EU players ... I am in complete agreement. You shouldn't be treated as step-children, as so often happens.
However, you should look on the bright side ... at least you didnt have to stay up late for yet another fruitless "Whack-a-Reb" meeting.

This is the fourth of these farcical meetings I have attended and see very little changing ... yet again.

"Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results."
- Mis-attributed to Albert Einstein

[Bravescot]

I mean you went a post without calling me Bravesquat so I guess that's a step in the right direct even if a small one.

But I must ask. Is Sir Sqiggles the 42ndPA or II Corp's 11thMS? Because I might be jumping to conclusions here but the edit made to the second post on this thread seems to suggest that I was not the one who kicked it off here. But hey, you do you.

[John Cooley]

True ... is better than the less tame name you have worked so hard to earn.

Oh no, you are correct he deserved the ban he received.
Just because a thing is hilarious and spot on does not mean it was appropriate to put in a public post.

I was referring to how when you couldnt get your shots in at the meeting you resorted to your tried and true tactics of a Forum Warrior.
Crying foul when someone hits you back is typical of a Parlor Soldier or Fobbit.
But hey ... you do you.

[Sox]

community
noun
1.a group of people living in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common.
2.the condition of sharing or having certain attitudes and interests in common.

So let's take a look at that: I think that for the most part we have three things in common, many of us are American Civil War enthusiasts to some degree, all of us are gamers to some degree, and the large majority of us want to see War of Rights launched. Apart from those three things, what we have in common becomes less & less relevant. Now, online communities, & especially those with a military theme, are very strange animals indeed because we very often see un-elected leaders, with self appointed ranks, voicing personal opinions on just about everything. Even those with a rank, who are meant to speak only for their respective oraganisations, very often abuse their positions by taking on personal issues that have nothing to do with the community, and even less to do with their men. Once a leader gets lost in personal vendetta's then their value to the community is at an end, no matter what their rank, elected or not. Might I suggest that, as a community, we have already lost sight of what our goals should, in fact, be.

WHO plays this game is not our concern, all that should concern the community is that there is a common goal to be in the same place, at the same time, to take part in large scale American Civil War battles. Campfire Games provide public servers with an upper limit of 150 players, they do not care who plays on them, or when they play, so as a community neither should we because that is beyond our control. Once you begin to single out regiments with an opinion about wether or not the community should play with them, no matter how good you think your intentions are, then it does become personal. Work out what server we are going to meet on, work out what time we will begin, anything beyond that gentlemen and you will divide this community, which is the exact opposite of the very thing you claim that you are trying to acheive. But most important of all, keep personal matters out of the community at times when you are meant to be representing said community.

I am but a 'lowley' Corporal, but mark my words gentlemen. IF you continue down the road that you are on, then the future for War of Rights as a large scale American Civil War game will be very bleak indeed. The future will be dozens of public servers, each with little groups of people on them, because their so called leaders could not agree on the colour of orange juice. Plan for the future of this community, and stop trying to burn it down. Please stop all of the North V South rhetoric too, the war is over, without each other we don't even have a game.

[PAIOLETTI]

How disappointing this thread has become, firstly as all of those who were there know the meeting actually went quite well, with exception being the question from Major Stone about forum tenacity. How is it that we can all get along throughout the course of the entire 1 hour meeting except for this point and it blows over into the forums? Frankly, his point is a valid one, and one that BOTH SIDES of the argument are constantly guilty of...... *This thread proving the point*........I don't get it, its a game guys why the hell is there so much drama over nothing. Lets cut the bullshit and get back on point, if any one from either faction has an issue or wants to clear something up you are more than welcome into our TS so we can speak 1v1 without distractions and without it leaking out onto the forums. We are supposedly just a few months away from Beta and ive seen the Holdfast type bag of shit communities and we cant have that here. Its best that everyone cut the nonsense now and find a way to get along before the inevitable wave of Beta investors make their way into this game. I can promise you if they see a group of trash talking cocksuckers running the show they will themselves not take the game seriously, and that will be the community we will have in the future. My comments are not directed at any one Person, Group or Organization but, to the community here as a whole. If you don't like what i have to say don't waste your time responding because i wont even dignify that shit as i stay off the forums actively because this is the kind of stupidity you get on a forum. I'm cool with many within the community but I'm here to do my job as an early tester, Major General of II Corps and Commander of the 6th Louisiana Battalion, if you want a friend buy a fucking dog, but you will always get my honest opinion regardless of friendship or respect.

-Much respect to Lt. Redleader representing the 6th Louisiana Tigers well at all times as my official Regimental Envoy, and my partner during the Community Leadership Meeting*

-Much respect to Colonel Labelle for being an extremely positive and respected force in and after the meeting. You have represented the 1st Texas well and earned a ton of respect from myself and my Battalion.

-Much respect to Trustyjam for attending this meeting at 1 or 2am his time and hearing the community at large, as most of this meeting was about things we would like to see implemented into the game, not rivalry.....For the record, CG did not set up this meeting so the time could not be ordained by themselves. Next time we should certainly make things easier for our brother in Europe.

-***Major Ross, 95th NY, As i understand you have recorded this meeting from beginning to end. Would it be possible that we could have the tape of this released to the public? So as to be completely transparent within the entire community. I think in general when seeing this forum posts guys will get the wrong idea of what transpired and all those within the community that are part of a Unit have a right to know what the future direction of their Commanders and game at large are taking or working towards. Transparency, especially after a thread that turned like this is a must, as many will want to know what was actually said and how it unfolded.***

-Next Community Leadership Meeting should be at a better time for our EU guys, perhaps 2pm EST before EU events? Just a suggestion, I'm only 1 voice.....

-Much respect to all Officers that came out to this Community Meeting and voiced their opinions about what they would like to see in the future of the game, as well as some areas where we can do a better job as a community at large

-excuse the language as i wanted to speak freely for this one, ill be back to my old respectful self on future posts, i just feel its important to get the points across now before it goes to far

Major General Paioletti (II Corps, 6th Louisiana Battalion)

[LaBelle]

Thanks Paioletti. I'd also like to give a shout out to all of our XOs and 2nd reps who attended.

2pm EST would be a great time, I'd love to hear what's going on in our EU department.

As Paioletti, Stone, and the others have said, what's happening here is in no way representative of what transpired in the meeting. The meeting was smooth, informative, and certainly opened my eyes to how other leaders in our community think. I have a better understanding of what each unit wants/needs, and I know myself and the 1st Texas organization are going to work to improve this game and it's community. Sure, there'll be bumps in the road and I don't expect everyone to have the same opinions, but the true test of us as men and women is getting through this.

[John Cooley]

lol
Since we are defining words here ...

de·lu·sion·al
dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl/
adjective
characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

[TrustyJam]

Closing thread due to Cooley’s toxic post not intended for anything but to stir things back up again.

Will have mods look into it.

- Trusty