Memory leak after a few matches!

[Sgt.Nightfire]

As requested by Cpl. Ragtime to also post it here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/424030/discussions/6/1745605598713162884

"I have noticed, when i join a server after just starting the game, everything is good, smooth 60 fps, than maybe after 3 or 4 matches, the game starts to behave worse and worse, looking left and right will give me stutters like it's loading the level around me. Sometimes the game crashes completely or freezes up my PC. Restarting the game, fixes it again. This sounds like a classic memory leak."

I did not check myself yet how much memory was used, but a respond on the steam forum states they did see all their memory being used on Low!


My system:
Windows 10
AMD Ryzen 7, 2700x
AMD 580x 8 gig.
16 gig or RAM, 3500 mhz.

EDIT:

Made a before and after video showing what was going on, both were taken in a 150 server that was completely full in all matches.

This is the first round in, perfect FPS, everything is smooth and no stutters:
https://streamable.com/ibsms

Second video is after 3 matches, things are no longer smooth, allot of stutters looking left and right like everything has not loaded in correctly, the game crashed one minute after this was recorded:
https://streamable.com/azb0n

[Sgt.Nightfire]

Bumping this thread as it still happens, never had my FPS show so turned it on through Steam, and when i join a server, it's 60 fps, 3 matches later, it's at 30. Restarting the game is the only thing that fixes it. Also noticed that the game just uses 4 gig of ram, later on it's at 7 gig. It's odd that i get these fps drops if i got a total of 16 gig.

[Poorlaggedman]

My Framerate has gone down in recent history and I actually dropped my graphics from Very High to High and I'm still seeing some performance issues.

[Captain.A.West]

As requested by Cpl. Ragtime to also post it here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/424030/discussions/6/1745605598713162884

"I have noticed, when i join a server after just starting the game, everything is good, smooth 60 fps, than maybe after 3 or 4 matches, the game starts to behave worse and worse, looking left and right will give me stutters like it's loading the level around me. Sometimes the game crashes completely or freezes up my PC. Restarting the game, fixes it again. This sounds like a classic memory leak."

I did not check myself yet how much memory was used, but a respond on the steam forum states they did see all their memory being used on Low!


My system:
Windows 10
AMD Ryzen 7, 2700x
AMD 580x 8 gig.
16 gig or RAM, 3500 mhz.

EDIT:

Made a before and after video showing what was going on, both were taken in a 150 server that was completely full in all matches.

This is the first round in, perfect FPS, everything is smooth and no stutters:
https://streamable.com/ibsms

Second video is after 3 matches, things are no longer smooth, allot of stutters looking left and right like everything has not loaded in correctly, the game crashed one minute after this was recorded:
https://streamable.com/azb0n


Bumping this thread as it still happens, never had my FPS show so turned it on through Steam, and when i join a server, it's 60 fps, 3 matches later, it's at 30. Restarting the game is the only thing that fixes it. Also noticed that the game just uses 4 gig of ram, later on it's at 7 gig. It's odd that i get these fps drops if i got a total of 16 gig.


Hello Sgt.Nightfire, I'm going to see if maybe we can pin point the problem. I'm a computer repair specialist and website builder by trade when I'm not working my big boy job :).

It could very well be Memory leak - but the symptoms you have sound more like CPU Throttling. Have you watched the temperature reading of your CPU while you game? Also - with your Ryzen 7 CPU, what kind of cooling system do you have installed? If you play the game, and put your hand on top of your case, or at the back of your case, do you feel warmth?

In my experience with building gaming computers as well as repairing them, many users forget to have adequate air flow through the case and the cooling system is subpar. If your computer is running hot after playing a few games and it slows down, it's because your system is overheating.

Another factor is you have an AMD graphics processor. In recent years AMD has come a long way from where they used to be. HOWEVER, they could still have an issue with their CPU and Graphics card overheating - therefore it's important to have constant cool air over both items.

Can you check on these for me? You can add me on steam if you like for an easier way to communicate (steam: https://steamcommunity.com/id/theadamwest/)

[Sgt.Nightfire]

Thanks for the response, but i got pc building experience for over 19 years myself so i know its not my pc. But to clarify, my pc is a new build (last May that is, still new to me), overheating is not a issue on my pc, my CPU is watercooled, (Coolermaster MasterLiquid Pro 240) and a additional of 4 case fans are in my pc, this is also the only game where this happens. If i play Kingdom Come: Deliverance, also a Crytek engine game, no issues. My graphic card, i don't even hear it when i'm playing WoR, i also checked and when i'm playing, the CPU is not even used for 27/30%.

[Captain.A.West]

Thanks for the response, but i got pc building experience for over 19 years myself so i know its not my pc. But to clarify, my pc is a new build (last May that is, still new to me), overheating is not a issue on my pc, my CPU is watercooled, (Coolermaster MasterLiquid Pro 240) and a additional of 4 case fans are in my pc, this is also the only game where this happens. If i play Kingdom Come: Deliverance, also a Crytek engine game, no issues. My graphic card, i don't even hear it when i'm playing WoR, i also checked and when i'm playing, the CPU is not even used for 27/30%.

Interesting.
I've never experienced any memory leak with my build - but at the same time we also have different Video cards as well. I have a 1060 GTX Nvidia graphics card so again no issues on my end. Poor what system do you have?

Not going to rule out performance issues with the game (definitely worth checking out) but I'm wondering if it's related to the graphics card and the benchmarks associated with each one to include pixel shader.

[Sgt.Nightfire]

look up a post or two where you can see my system, i also sometimes get a random crash, maybe sometimes the game can continue without crashing but get's this strange performance issue. I will add a crash log from the latest crash:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/90fk4q6xrzce8z8/gamelog.txt

[Captain.A.West]

look up a post or two where you can see my system, i also sometimes get a random crash, maybe sometimes the game can continue without crashing but get's this strange performance issue. I will add a crash log from the latest crash:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/90fk4q6xrzce8z8/gamelog.txt


I had saw your requirements - I was asking about Poor's specifications (he had posted below you, and was experiencing issues the same as you).

Have you verified the integrity of your game files yet for War of Rights? You may have to re-install the game and see if this fixes your game crash, haven't experienced any issues with crashing the game except with the minor small screen that appears as the game is exiting, but developers already know about this.

[Sgt.Nightfire]

I completely reinstalled it actually, because i had to reset my windows, so we can add that to list, reinstalled windows, reinstalled steam + game and fresh new drivers.

[A. P. Hill]

Sounds like a bad memory simm to me. I've not heard of too many others experiencing this "behavior".

And while you doubt it is your system, I'm suggesting it is. If you exhibit certain experiences others don't then it is a pointer that it is local as opposed to programming. I.e. CFG is not responsible.

Your attempt at comparison of other games is also incorrect.

Those others are finished games and proven, plus they incorporate older engine softwares. Since CFG is using current engine technology, it's more apt to show previous undisclosed ssystem problems.

There are several ways to test your ram, I suggest you find one that suits you and test.

Personally, myself, I detest AMD of any type. When they got their start, they were buying failed Intel processors and selling as new with the stipulations that the buyer acknowledge he was buying damaged goods as new, which is why AMD is and always will be cheap.

[Captain.A.West]

Like A.P. Hill above - I agree it sounds like it's a hardware issue and which is why I was trying to get more information on your system and experience to dive into it.

It could be one of two - but I'm going to bet money it's going to be #2.

#1 - could be a bad ram stick or both, it could also be a bad ram slot on the motherboard. HOWEVER - since you have dedicated graphics on your machine, I really want to save you the hassle. You can troubleshoot this really quick - if you realize that your machine runs slow or stutters at certain points - it's a sign it's a RAM stick or slot. And to test this, you test each stick individually and on different slots. Move from Slot 1 and 2, to Slot 3 and 4 and see if you have any issues.

But before you do all that above - again I'm betting money it's because of the AMD graphics card - here's why.

#2. On dedicated graphic systems, the graphics card takes the blunt processing power to run games. If you had an intel processor and an Nvidia Graphics card you would have to select the graphics processor to use for gaming in the Nvidia control panel. So I honestly believe it's the graphics card - it's either 1.) not able to reach it's bench mark or 2.) defective. If it's still under warranty I would try to get it replaced.

If it's under warranty - just get an RMA through the company you purchased the hardware from. If it's not under warranty - you can solidify the cause by Overclocking your system. If you overclock - you void the warranty of the machine which is why I said the first thing, if it's under warranty don't over clock your CPU. If it's not, you can try to overclock the system. If while you are overclock you experience issues with the frame rate right off the bat - it's a bad Graphics processor. It wouldn't be the CPU - the CPU has nothing to do with frame rate drop on a dedicated graphics card - however it will pick up the slack of the DDR4 (or DDR5) if it has to, but you'll notice it by the frame drop (if that makes sense).

I'll bet money cause I've seen it over and over again - it's the graphics card. If you get a new graphics card - I bet your problem would go away.

[Captain.A.West]

Personally, myself, I detest AMD of any type. When they got their start, they were buying failed Intel processors and selling as new with the stipulations that the buyer acknowledge he was buying damaged goods as new, which is why AMD is and always will be cheap.


I don't disagree with you on that - in the beginning AMD had some crappy processors. But I'll say with confidence now and all the builds I've done. I never put an AMD graphics card in any of them because of their history and the bench marks just aren't comparable to Nvidia. I'll put a CPU in but only an 8 core or above from AMD. I actually try to stay way from Intel because the benchmarks are higher on an AMD CPU then an Intel CPU - plus you save more money so that you can get a better graphics card. My ratio has always been AMD CPU and high-end Nvidia GPU - then high performance DDR5 Ram (at least 16GB, no need for over 64GB) - and since then I've never had an issue.

I tip my hat to you sir :)

[A. P. Hill]

... I tip my hat to you sir :)

If I had a hat, I'd return the respect, so you'll just have to take my word. ;)

I didn't get the understanding that his graphics were on board. But if that's the case that's likely more his problem.

I started building systems on my third computer. My first two were corporate brands. The first, a true blue dyed in the wool IBM XT 8088 with an 8087 math coprocessor, 360 k of ram, monochrome green screen, a mouse and a modem, (dial up,) that both wanted to use comm 1. My second corporate was a 386 with 387 Compaq, where I trashed the O.S. from Compaq and installed a full version of IBM DOS, thus eliminating some of the fupa that Compaq squirreled away in their licenses at the time. Since my486 I've built everything.

[Sgt.Nightfire]

#1 - could be a bad ram stick or both, it could also be a bad ram slot on the motherboard. HOWEVER - since you have dedicated graphics on your machine, I really want to save you the hassle. You can troubleshoot this really quick - if you realize that your machine runs slow or stutters at certain points - it's a sign it's a RAM stick or slot. And to test this, you test each stick individually and on different slots. Move from Slot 1 and 2, to Slot 3 and 4 and see if you have any issues.

I'll bet money cause I've seen it over and over again - it's the graphics card. If you get a new graphics card - I bet your problem would go away.


I already did a ram check with MemTest86 last week, gave no errors but have not tried to change my ram sticks into other slots. I don't think they are the issue, because if they were the issue, i would be having this in every game. And the card was bought in August, so it's still new! And i do not like Nvidia cards anymore, thats why i use AMD these days, i always had issues with the drivers, since i changed to a AMD card 4 years ago i have had no issues at all. And i am not the only one who has this issue, it's the game, lets not forget its a un-optimized Early Access!

[TimTracey]

I already did a ram check with MemTest86 last week, gave no errors but have not tried to change my ram sticks into other slots. I don't think they are the issue, because if they were the issue, i would be having this in every game. And the card was bought in August, so it's still new! And i do not like Nvidia cards anymore, thats why i use AMD these days, i always had issues with the drivers, since i changed to a AMD card 4 years ago i have had no issues at all. And i am not the only one who has this issue, it's the game, lets not forget its a un-optimized Early Access!

NightFire when you enable sys_perfhud and compare the budget stats during the 2nd, 3rd and 4th games. When does the memory allocation or budget indicators start spiking?
If you could provide Capt. West with a couple of screenshot of the perhud in action
10466 it may help diagnose the root cause.

Tim

[Sgt.Nightfire]

I will try to collect those images next time i play.

*EDIT*

Here are the pictures from 4 matches, the only thing i noticed is that system memory allocation drops in the third and fourth match, notice how the first and second match had over 3000 mb system memory usage but in the third and fourth this dropped down to 94 and 127 mb!

https://imgur.com/a/HOCKyQJ

[Sgt.Nightfire]

Bump

[Flaccid_Tipi]

I can verify this dude's claims of significant stuttering after a couple of matches. This is when I go flag bearer or just restart. I am running AMD Ryzen 2700X, ASUS Prime X470-Pro,16GB RAM, and RX 580 8GB @ 2560x1080. Updated drivers, and motherboard BIOS to no avail.

BTW, this game is unique. I can feel the love that went into it. It carefully captures the essence of the time without disposition or hyperbole. I look forward to this thing continuing to develop.

[Sgt.Nightfire]

it's pretty amazing how we even have the same motherboard. Never came across anyone who almost had the same pc as me. :p

[Captain.A.West]

Seems to me the common denominator is both of you have the same CPU and GPU.

So I'm going to stick back to my guns and say that it's the GPU - not that it's a problem, but the game may not be optimized for the GPU, or the GPU could be lacking in performance for bench marking.

The only comparable GPU on the market to the AMD 580X is the Nvidia 1060 6GB with comparable bench marks and specifications (even though the Nvidia is 2GB less DDR5).

Seeing that no one else has mentioned anything than you two and you both have the exact same system specifications, GPU is still the problem. Either the game engine (Cryengine) isn't optimized or lacking for the AMD 580X. Nvidia users haven't had any issues that I've heard about. Or your GPU is not capable of benchmarking on the game due to either stress of the engine or graphics. It's a toss up really between the two, I don't think we're going to get a direct answer.

As far as optimization goes - the developers are working on that part of the roadmap they released. So you both may have to get them some time before they are able to work out all the kinks.

[A. P. Hill]

Seems to me the common denominator is both of you have the same CPU and GPU.

So I'm going to stick back to my guns and say that it's the GPU - not that it's a problem, but the game may not be optimized for the GPU, or the GPU could be lacking in performance for bench marking.

The only comparable GPU on the market to the AMD 580X is the Nvidia 1060 6GB with comparable bench marks and specifications (even though the Nvidia is 2GB less DDR5).

Seeing that no one else has mentioned anything than you two and you both have the exact same system specifications, GPU is still the problem. Either the game engine (Cryengine) isn't optimized or lacking for the AMD 580X. Nvidia users haven't had any issues that I've heard about. Or your GPU is not capable of benchmarking on the game due to either stress of the engine or graphics. It's a toss up really between the two, I don't think we're going to get a direct answer.

As far as optimization goes - the developers are working on that part of the roadmap they released. So you both may have to get them some time before they are able to work out all the kinks.


+1 still.

Again, the comparison with other games is an error to base anything on. This game, again is nothing like those used as comparison.
Just because you can run lesser technical software is no reason to claim system capability.

[Flaccid_Tipi]

it's pretty amazing how we even have the same motherboard. Never came across anyone who almost had the same pc as me. :p

Hey, just wanted to give you an update (and a high five for your build). I started using my old TASCAM-1200 as my primary audio card instead of the onboard sound and noticed a performance increase over time in WoR. Given that we have kindred system specs, if you have an audio card laying around, you may want to try it in lieu of the onboard audio.

[Sgt.Nightfire]

I do have a audio card installed, gonna try if it changes anything. You could be on to something as our motherboard uses Realtek audio drivers that can cause issues with videogames.

[LuckyJ]

I am having the same problem, usually even after the first match.
When I join in, I get 50-60 fps, and after the first match, it starts to dip below 40fps and sometimes even below 30fps.
This is the only game I experience this problem with. I monitor my CPU, GPU and RAM usage and temperatures, and how it seems to me is after playing the game my CPU and GPU usage starts to drop. Temperatures are fine all the time, but usage just drops from GPU's 99% to 60-70%.
It started to do that after I upgraded my monitor to a higher resolution one. Right now I am playing it on 1440p monitor. I have even upgraded my hardware, and don't really see an improvement.
CPU i9 9900k, GPU GTX1080TI and 32GB RAM (it is in DUAL channel, have checked it with CPU-Z).
This is a bit gamebreaker for me, when I bought the captain tier I loved the game, but after upgrading my monitor I really have not been enjoying the game so much, being the fps w*ore I am.

[Sgt.Nightfire]

I have noticed the same thing when playing, low CPU and GPU usage the further along the games go. And with your system you should not be having these issues at all. Hell, we all shoulden't. And seeing you got a Nvidia card and Intel CPU, the others here cant blame it that it's AMD's hardware causing it!!:rolleyes:

[Captain.A.West]

I have noticed the same thing when playing, low CPU and GPU usage the further along the games go. And with your system you should not be having these issues at all. Hell, we all shoulden't. And seeing you got a Nvidia card and Intel CPU, the others here cant blame it that it's AMD's hardware causing it!!:rolleyes:

I won't blame it on just being AMD hardware for the blame - but I will say on the AMD you are probably experiencing more of a drop in FPS than the Nvidia cards. But that is just experience with their GPU's. CPU's I haven't had any issues with, and again I normally put AMD CPU's in all of my builds to save money for the same amount if not better processing power than intel with the ability to overclock easier as well if needed.

It's interesting that a 1080ti is having issues with graphical performance after a few matches.

Anyone else having issues?

[Sgt.Nightfire]

I noticed people in game always complaining about low fps but having a good system.

[Sgt.Nightfire]

Did a bit more "research"

When i just started a round:

https://i.imgur.com/So72Q3z.png

My CPU usages is at just 30%, my connection is barely used yet, only 5 gig of ram being used and my card is at a nice 70% usage.

https://i.imgur.com/SDVwItq.png

Now this is the game after 4 matches, my connection is being used ALLOT, my CPU is at 43%, but my GPU for some reason is only being used at 55% and 10 gig of ram is being used. ( have sometimes seen it spike up to 15 gig, a bit odd for a game that where its recommended is 8 gig.)

Also, notice the almost zero procent of usage on my C disk but that could be because i was alt-tabbed.

[Sgt.Nightfire]

The last two patches indeed gave me more frames, but that was honestly never a issue, always had 60 in the first match, but after 3/4 matches, the "memory leak" still occurs. And with the lack of attention this is getting from the developers, i don't see it getting fixed soon. I had been thinking it could also be because of the crazy amount of usage on my internet connection. Many also crash out of the server because of this.

[Sgt.Nightfire]

Since the last two patches, the memory leak is back and worse than ever now. :(

[Sgt.Nightfire]

Saw in the changelog today, that a memory was fixed! I played a few matches and at the third match, where i usually get the stuttering and framerate loss, i had no memory leak anymore! Also the performance on Garland's has improved a lot!